Cohen (D - TN) - compares GOP health law claims to Nazi 'lies' (speech, Miami)
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What in the world are you bumbling about now? I have no time for your thoughtless drivel. If you can't comprehend what was said, please don't respond. TIA!
Thoughtless? But I'm sure you know better. You practice it.
Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.
TigerLily24 - This one I got right.
The rest of your post, I understand your point - but it should be the individual and family's decision on how life should end, not the government's decision. I know it's only a discussion right now, but if the government is paying - then they will eventually want leverage in how the discussion is framed from the doctor's perspective.
HAHA, you just proved that you know NOTHING...ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING about the Progressive movement and how propaganda came about. Let me trip you up again here, what name was propaganda changed to and who changed it?
Tell you what: why don't you provide us with your resources so we can all be equally educated.
Here is a good jumping off point:
Propaganda:
""Congregatio de Propaganda Fide" "congregation for propagating the faith," committee of cardinals established 1622 by Gregory XV to supervise foreign missions, prop. abl. fem. gerundive of L. propagare (see propagation). Modern political sense dates from World War I, not originally pejorative."
Communism:
"1841, as both a noun and adj., from Fr. communiste (see communism). First attested in writing by John Goodwin Barmby (1820-1881), British Owenite and utopian socialist who founded the London Communist Propaganda Society in 1841. Main modern sense emerged after publication of Communist Manifesto ("Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei") in 1848. Shortened form Commie attested from 1940. Related: Communistic"
Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.
TigerLily24 - This one I got right.
The rest of your post, I understand your point - but it should be the individual and family's decision on how life should end, not the government's decision. I know it's only a discussion right now, but if the government is paying - then they will eventually want leverage in how the discussion is framed from the doctor's perspective.
I do appreciate your viewpoint, however, I simply don't believe that the government will gain very much leverage at the rate that they pay for office visits nor do I believe that cost will enter into these discussions for the simple reason that no one knows what the ultimate costs will be. Everyone's treatment plan has to be different and dynamic.
I think that it is a real shame that the administration backed down.
I do appreciate your viewpoint, however, I simply don't believe that the government will gain very much leverage at the rate that they pay for office visits nor do I believe that cost will enter into these discussions for the simple reason that no one knows what the ultimate costs will be. Everyone's treatment plan has to be different and dynamic.
I think that it is a real shame that the administration backed down.
I just wonder what the point of paying them is if doctors do it already - if they weren't planning on wielding influence.
The fact that they pulled it away instead of expressing the benefit of the plan tells me their motives are sinister.
The fact that they pulled it away instead of expressing the benefit of the plan tells me their motives are sinister.
You've probably read this...
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On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes…They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!!
That is the lie/falsehood conservatives and corporate interests have clung onto. Here is an except of the provision, verbatim:
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page 425: Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:
(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning … .
(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.
Please tell me that you can conclude better than those viral emails did and many politicians sold. Then feel free to compare your own conclusions to AARP's that rebuked the right wing propaganda:
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Ms. McCaughey’s criticism misinterprets legislation that would actually help empower individuals and doctors to make their own choices on end-of-life care.
This measure would allow Medicare to pay doctors for taking the time to talk with individuals about difficult end-of-life care decisions. It would help provide people with better information on the positives and negatives—both physical and financial—that different treatments can mean for them and their families.
Facing a terminal disease or debilitating accident, some people will choose to take every possible life-saving measure in the hopes that treatment or even a cure will allow them more time with their families. Others will decide that additional treatment would impose too great a burden—emotional, physical and otherwise—on themselves and their families, declining extraordinary measures and instead choosing care to manage their discomfort. Either way, it should be their choice.
This measure would not only help people make the best decisions for themselves, but also better ensure that their wishes are followed.
Now, you were speaking of "ulterior motives". Could you elaborate on that? Then we will use it to determine the ulterior motives hidden in the following provision from the republican legislation passed in 2003.
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The covered services are: evaluating the beneficiary’s need for pain and symptom management, including the individual’s need for hospice care; counseling the beneficiary with respect to end-of-life issues and care options, and advising the beneficiary regarding advanced care planning.
Is it a great idea when the SAME PROVISION is a part of republican proposal, but an ulterior motive if a democratic law includes it?
SEC. 512. COVERAGE OF HOSPICE CONSULTATION SERVICES.
(a) COVERAGE OF HOSPICE CONSULTATION SERVICES.—Section
1812(a) (42 U.S.C. 1395d(a)) is amended—
(1) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of paragraph (3);
(2) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (4)
and inserting ‘‘; and’’; and
(3) by inserting after paragraph (4) the following new paragraph:
‘‘(5) for individuals who are terminally ill, have not made
an election under subsection (d)(1), and have not previously
received services under this paragraph, services that are furnished
by a physician (as defined in section 1861(r)(1)) who
is either the medical director or an employee of a hospice
program and that—
‘‘(A) consist of—
‘‘(i) an evaluation of the individual’s need for pain
and symptom management, including the individual’s
need for hospice care; and
‘‘(ii) counseling the individual with respect to hospice
care and other care options; and
‘‘(B) may include advising the individual regarding
advanced care planning.’’.
(b) PAYMENT.—Section 1814(i) (42 U.S.C. 1395f(i)) is amended
by adding at the end the following new paragraph:
‘‘(4) The amount paid to a hospice program with respect to
the services under section 1812(a)(5) for which payment may be
made under this part shall be equal to an amount established
for an office or other outpatient visit for evaluation and management
associated with presenting problems of moderate severity and
requiring medical decisionmaking of low complexity under the fee
schedule established under section 1848(b), other than the portion
of such amount attributable to the practice expense component
It's amazing how your link has something added....
He should be treated by the news media and the public the same way Sarah Palin has been treated for her use of the term Blood Libel.
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