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Reconciliation was not and never was the Nuclear Option. Reconciliation and the Nuclear Option are two VERY different things. The Republicans, Fox, and others on the right just lied about it.
Then provide links....I have given you what is on the web.....but yet you still say I'm wrong....
Is this another...."we have to pass the bill to see whats in it" game....
Then provide links....I have given you what is on the web.....but yet you still say I'm wrong....
Is this another...."we have to pass the bill to see whats in it" game....
Well its in your own link, CNN described it correctly.
Reconciliation is working within actual Senate rules to bypass a filibuster on specific legislation that meets certain rules. Both sides have used reconciliation in the past to pass legislation. In fact it has been used more by the GOP than the Dems since 1980 A Nuclear Option is getting rid of the filibuster all together and changing Senate rules, not working within the rules of the Senate.
A list from Politico with the bills passed through Reconciliation since 1980.
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Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981
Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983
Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990
Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993
Balanced Budget Act of 1995 (vetoed)
Personal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Act of 1996
Balanced Budget Act of 1997
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999 (vetoed)
Marriage Tax Relief Act of 2000 (vetoed)
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001
Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003
The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005
Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005
Well, thanks for the confirmation as I did already note that there is no end of life counseling payment provision in the ACA or Medicare regulations.
And even then, on the "death panels," if you read the article posted from the Catholic News agency above, the Catholics found that end of life counseling was actually a prolife provision, consistent with Catholic teaching. My mom died fairly recently after a lengthy illness, and had an advanced directive--she spelled out that she didn't want to be kept on a ventilator longterm, etc. if she had no chance of recovery. She wasn't asking anyone to kill her--they CANT DO THAT--but to withdraw extraordinary medical support that would have unnecessarily prolonged her life, and allowed her to die a natural death, if she slipped into a coma and was already dying. We weren't forced to deal with that issue, but it would have been a whole lot more reassuring and easier on us to know those were her wishes if we had been. That is NOT a DEATH PANEL. All an advanced directive does is let the PATIENT spell out his or her WISHES. It was hysteria over a basically good idea.
Every step of this legislation has been like that with the R's--complete hysteria.
And even then, on the "death panels," if you read the article posted from the Catholic News agency above, the Catholics found that end of life counseling was actually a prolife provision, consistent with Catholic teaching. My mom died fairly recently after a lengthy illness, and had an advanced directive--she spelled out that she didn't want to be kept on a ventilator longterm, etc. if she had no chance of recovery. She wasn't asking anyone to kill her--they CANT DO THAT--but to withdraw extraordinary medical support that would unnecessarily prolonged her life, and allowed her to die a natural death, if she slipped into a coma and was already dying. We weren't forced to deal with that issue, but it would have been a whole lot more reassuring and easier on us to know those were her wishes if we had been. That is NOT a DEATH PANEL. All an advanced directive does is let the PATIENT spell out his or her WISHES. It was hysteria over a basically good idea.
Every step of this legislation has been like that with the R's--complete hysteria.
Then I called it the wrong name--sorry--but the HCR provision would have encouraged doctors to bring up the subject with patients so they could make their wishes clear before they were put in that position. The patient didn't have to do it. It got taken out of the bill because people went nuts over it, so it's a non issue now, but still...that's what drives me crazy.
It was not just the public's objection to ObamaCare which resulted in the Democrats getting demolished on Election Day; it was the administration's blatant disregard for rule of law, and saddling our kids and grandkids with trillions of dollars in debt that will never be paid back, as well as a cash-for-clunkers program which was an unmitigated disaster for the middle class citizens and the 'little guy' which Democrats are supposed to represent.
The simple answer is bribery. The recipients of the bribery embedded in HCR are stacked against the opposing interests who will lose out.
Until American politics is cleansed of bribery, you will continue to see such travesties enacted, partisanship notwithstanding.
Even Socialist InSecurity is nothing but a cleverly disguised bribery scam.
Then I called it the wrong name--sorry--but the HCR provision would have encouraged doctors to bring up the subject with patients so they could make their wishes clear before they were put in that position. The patient didn't have to do it. It got taken out of the bill because people went nuts over it, so it's a non issue now, but still...that's what drives me crazy.
I would HOPE that you and your parents (or significant other)...have this already taken care of this.....
And I would truly hope that no Dr. would have to remind you that you should have done it prior to "the time"
I would HOPE that you and your parents (or significant other)...have this already taken care of this.....
And I would truly hope that no Dr. would have to remind you that you should have done it prior to "the time"
As I said, my mom had it taken care of, and my DH and I did the same thing years ago. You'd be amazed at the people who don't. I've had friends put into the position of having to make difficult choices for dying parents without having that kind of direction in advance--it can be very painful and difficult at an already traumatic time.
They are called either "advanced directive" or "living will".
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