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View Poll Results: ???
Yes 14 14.58%
No 19 19.79%
Not sure 1 1.04%
He changed ? 43 44.79%
He changed, but I can't trust it 13 13.54%
??? 6 6.25%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-22-2011, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What new Obama? I've noticed nothing different. He wasn't against the business community to begin with. That's the narrative THEY came up with because although he was kissing their behinds like all presidents do, he didn't use chapstick.
That is my thoughts too. Just because FOX and Limbaugh say he was anti-business, doesn't mean it was the truth.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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...... where was that poll taken? Keith O's farewell party at MSNBC? LMAO

Buy a Clue - or apply for a govt grant (the liberal way) to acquire one.

My guess would be in the ghettos! I have friends and acquaintances from the East to West coast and North to South boundaries of our country and don't know one single person who thinks that BO is anything but the worst President in this country's history!
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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Bull! He's just continuing his "false-front" to get re-elected so he can then go back to his real agenda...shoving crap down the throats of all of us so he can continue destroying our America by, for instance, "give rebirth to the Union agenda" and building up his "spread-the-wealth," "third-world-country" agenda! This mentality with proven-to-destroy-countries agenda based upon socialist/communist takeover is very dangerous to our American. It needs to be stopped in its track...NOW!
I'm not sure if this is in response to my post or not since it's an incoherent, baseless list of talk radio catch words without any supporting documents, but I was agreeing with you. Don't know why you're attacking me.

We absolutely do need to get back to the Constitution and let government levy taxes to provide for the general welfare without such opposition from Tea Party sympathizers. Many often cite the Constitution but don't seem to read it. We should all band together to make sure we uphold our founding document!

In response to you last post, do you have evidence that this poll was conducted in "ghettos"? The poverty and welfare rates are just as high or higher in conservative rural districts, so there's really no correlation. Anyway, Obama has no lack of support amongst highly educated professionals in metropolitan areas, so it's definitely not a phenomenon in impoverished areas.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I'm not sure if this is in response to my post or not since it's an incoherent, baseless list of talk radio catch words without any supporting documents, but I was agreeing with you. Don't know why you're attacking me.

We absolutely do need to get back to the Constitution and let government levy taxes to provide for the general welfare without such opposition from Tea Party sympathizers. Many often cite the Constitution but don't seem to read it. We should all band together to make sure we uphold our founding document!

In response to you last post, do you have evidence that this poll was conducted in "ghettos"? The poverty and welfare rates are just as high or higher in conservative rural districts, so there's really no correlation. Anyway, Obama has no lack of support amongst highly educated professionals in metropolitan areas, so it's definitely not a phenomenon in impoverished areas.
I don't think you read what I posted...My guess would be in the ghettos!

No, talk radio agrees with me, not the other way around. "General Welfare" does not mean spread the wealth! General welfare does not mean that government hand outs create, cultivate and continue to grow the welfare mentality that has generations thinking the government owes them, thus 5th and 6th generations are still on welfare. General welfare does not mean those of us who practice being responsible for ourselves must be forced to take care of the irresponsible of society through federal government confiscation of our earnings. Those of us who are responsible and do take care of ourselves also understand that "individually" we can and will take care of those who "cannot" for physical or mental reasons take care of themselves or need temporary help...but that's "individual" responsibility, not federal government responsibility.

Nuff said, well, almost ...it would take a book to try to educate those with great misunderstanding of the basis of our Constitution and the correct application same. It also takes years of experience in life to understand the danger of allowing politicians to run the show. Politicians must understand they are only there to make sure Society adheres to the Constitution and not there to "use" Society. Government works for us, not the other way around. Get over the "tea party" bashing. This movement just might be the one that helps get this country back on the right road. No, I'm not a member, but I support any and all who understand what it takes to give us back what we have had taken away by government interference over the past 70 years that I, personally, can remember.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:55 AM
 
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...well if talk radio agrees with you, it must be true.

I listen to that for 5 minutes and dissect their arguments.

No one's asking for politicians to run the show - least of all Obama who has invested extraordinary resources into making sure businesses can keep running the show.

The reality is, though, that the Constitution guarantees the right of government to levy taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare. There is debate over interpretation, with conservatives tending to fall on the side of interpreting it as a limitation that government can only levy taxes for that and the few other purposes listed, while liberals tend to interpret it as a mandate to provide for citizens.

I don't want to get into that debate, but only chimed in because the Constitution is a broad document that can be interpreted many ways, which is in sharp contrast to the Tea Party movement that seems to believe their limited interpretation and selective passages are the only one that exists.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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Obama seems different, much more open to business, I'm happy he changed
What about you ?
He is the old Obama- neutered by political defeat and a republican congress. Give him back a democratic congress and he will be as crazy as ever.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Still the same Obama-- continuing to be as arrogant and ignorant about the correlation between tax rates & economic growth as your typical Democrat.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Still the same Obama-- continuing to be as arrogant and ignorant about the correlation between tax rates & economic growth as your typical Democrat.
That common belief is not supported by evidence. Tax rates were far higher under Reagan and Clinton, especially for the upper income levels, and both experienced significant economic growth under their respective administrations.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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Until the GOP comes up with a viable candidate, Obama will win the election. And, so far, I haven't seen a good possible candidate. I did like the piece I read about Jon Huntsman but that is such a long shot it isn't worth thinking about.

Palin is too polarizing. Huckabee just doesn't "appear" Presidental to me. I kind of like Romney but he seems timid and completely below the radar. Lets see....who else ? Oh, Newt lost me when he played musical wives...irregardless of his intelligence, character does matter.

They (GOP) needs to find someone and soon and start selling them to the general voters. But, the inside beltway mentality will prevail, I think.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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That common belief is not supported by evidence. Tax rates were far higher under Reagan and Clinton, especially for the upper income levels, and both experienced significant economic growth under their respective administrations.

Ahhhh, but the regulations weren't. You can't over regulate and expect business growth no matter how low the tax rates are. Regulations are a tax themselves, just not by name.
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