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Old 01-24-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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This thread has surprised me in some respects. It's amazing how many are comfortable with mediocrity simply because it's always been that way. I tell my employees all the time, just because something has always been done one way doesn't make it the right way.
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Old 01-24-2011, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Help me understand your mentality. I believe if a man works an honest 40+ hrs obeys the laws and pays his taxes then he is an asset to the country
I believe in the same thing too. However, you seem to be under the impression that people are somehow entitled to these from the US gov't and American taxpayers.
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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"To Mr/Ms/Mrs Minority - no more affirmative action, it's discriminatory - no more preferential treatment of any kind, you've gotten away with far too much already"

"Don't even think of coming to the US to drop a baby across the border - no more anchor babies"

"Your children are no longer the taxpayer's problem - you will be required to support them, one way or another"

"Unions will be responsible for funding their own pensions. Taxpayers will not be held hostage."

We need candidates that have actually achieved some success in running a business, not spent their lives as politicians or lawyers (or community organizers).

We also need an electorate that:
- Cares more about the presidential race than who wins American Idol
- Knows the candidates for president as well or better than those on American Idol
- Doesn't turn out to simply vote against someone
- Knows the issues and the various candidates stance
- Isn't ignorant enough to vote for skin color, gender or "historic" hype
- Has cared enough to actually watch the debates - all of them
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:33 PM
 
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"Entitlements", meaning money owed with no 'means-testing', has recipients in all wealth categories.

Yes, there are. But is it only the rich? Are there more rich people who get entitlements than poor? Is it the rich that vote for the democrats in return for entitlements?
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Yes, there are. But is it only the rich? Are there more rich people who get entitlements than poor? Is it the rich that vote for the democrats in return for entitlements?
Would tax loopholes for things like face lifts & country club memberships or spa treatments count as entitlements?
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Old 01-24-2011, 02:48 PM
 
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Your philosophy is part of the problem. You see no end in sight, so therefore we must not even try to fix it. Again, your whole theory is about the status quo.

My whole theory is that there must be a seismic change in the way taxpayer money is handled. I'm talking an entire philosophical change. A change that is geared towards austerity.

We'll never get there as long as there are enough people who share your view that it will never happen.
The point I'm trying to make is that your way of fixing it, isn't the only way to fix it. You're trying to paint this into one broad stroke that starts/stops with the President, and that's why your outlook is too simplistic. It's call growing up and realizing how the world works. I'm all for change, but you gotta be realistic about this one. You're talking messing with people's pocket books and way of life. Everyone here maybe for it in theory, but the reality will be something else.
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Old 01-24-2011, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.
Which has zero to do with free trade. Nice try.
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Old 01-24-2011, 04:56 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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I agree with many of the above comments. However the next time a New elected Canditate promises us the era of some New Hope and Change, please don't buy into it. Too many promises lead to unbroken promises!
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Old 01-24-2011, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Yeah too many people here aren't looking at the big picture. They are saying, well cutting X from the budget doesn't matter it isn't only 5%. It's the way decisions are being made and the way we're spending!!!

The idea that anyone can live and work in this country and even be issued driver's licenses but not pay taxes (illegal immigrants) is ridiculous. Being able to get by on welfare checks and food stamps because you're too lazy to get a job is ridiculous. The Social Security system is a joke...and in my opinion has no place in our budget. It was poorly designed and is poorly managed. So let's keep selling our souls to the Chinese (they hold trillions of US debt) and buying 18 prescriptions a month for Grandpa Jose because it would be inhumane to say no.

To take it a step further than politics, what we have done is effectively halt evolution. There is no survival of the fittest, or at least survival of all but the bottom 10%. No, it's survival of everyone because we have to sustain the useless garbage so that it can procreate and create generations of tax burdens. Imagine if all the stupid lazy people who can't take care of themselves died off without government assistance? How many of you can honestly say the world wouldn't be a better place?

Free markets yield the highest economic productivity. The more laws and taxes and government intervention, the less efficiently the markets operate. That is basic economics, and yet somehow the concept is ignored every day.
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Old 01-24-2011, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Yeah too many people here aren't looking at the big picture. They are saying, well cutting X from the budget doesn't matter it isn't only 5%. It's the way decisions are being made and the way we're spending!!!

The idea that anyone can live and work in this country and even be issued driver's licenses but not pay taxes (illegal immigrants) is ridiculous. Being able to get by on welfare checks and food stamps because you're too lazy to get a job is ridiculous. The Social Security system is a joke...and in my opinion has no place in our budget. It was poorly designed and is poorly managed. So let's keep selling our souls to the Chinese (they hold trillions of US debt) and buying 18 prescriptions a month for Grandpa Jose because it would be inhumane to say no.
Or we can tax the stuffing out of the rich and provide for the poor.

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To take it a step further than politics, what we have done is effectively halt evolution. There is no survival of the fittest, or at least survival of all but the bottom 10%. No, it's survival of everyone because we have to sustain the useless garbage so that it can procreate and create generations of tax burdens. Imagine if all the stupid lazy people who can't take care of themselves died off without government assistance? How many of you can honestly say the world wouldn't be a better place?
Your post sounds like something Adolf Hitler would say. I don't believe in your Nazi Social Darwinism. I believe in healing the sick, feeding the poor and providing for those less fortunate. Not "let them die because nature churned out useless pieces of garbage." NO ONE IS USELESS GARBAGE. NO ONE!!!! NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE. This post makes me absolutely freaking SICK!!!! But the conservatives are supposed to be the Christian party?

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Free markets yield the highest economic productivity. The more laws and taxes and government intervention, the less efficiently the markets operate. That is basic economics, and yet somehow the concept is ignored every day.
I believe free markets are inherently unjust and lead to an unequal distribution of resources. They may lead to the most economic productivity, but the profit from that economy ends up going to the top 1% of society, which is not good. IMO, tight government economic control, with a "dash of capitalism," is the way to go.
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