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Since founded under Jimmy Carter, our grade scores have actually fallen on the average.
What is is again that the dept. of Education does, beside suck other peoples money for pet projects?
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
It would be really nice if conservatives such as yourself actually knew the history of the Dept of Education nee, Office of Education nee, Dept of Education (1867) and what the Dept actually does rather than what your imagination tells you, you might have some basis for a fruitful discussion.
Now with regards to those falling grades and test scores, these are the sole providence of your much vaunted local and state governments, the Dept of Education simply provides the money for the locally administered programs. If you have a problem with wasted money, perhaps you should ask that question of your local school board or state department of education which by the way are in no way shape or form required to ask for it in the first place as the conservative American Thinker points out:
as i have pointed out many times in the past, the problem with the department of education is that it is not focusing on what is important, that being teaching the kids how to learn not what to think. we need to get back to the basics of education, teaching the children to read, write, do math, science, geography, real history, etc. and eliminate the social engineering that is taking place. we also need to eliminate the layers of bureaucracy with in the education system itself, and we need to recognize that not everyone should go to college.
we will always need plumbers, auto mechanics, machine tool operators, sheet metal workers, pipe fitters, etc. there are many jobs/careers that do not require one to attend college. and while we do need to encourage those that are capable of being engineers, teachers, computer programmers, biologists, etc. we need to get back to where a college degree is at least somewhat exclusive.
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Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks
The Department of Education needs to be strengthened, not eliminated. Of all industrialized and modern countries, we have the most decentralized dept. of education with the least amount of authority. The countries that are leaving us in the dust have strong central departments of education that don't mess with local politics, they simply create the most effective programs to deliver education to their children and then they make it happen.
Tea party members calling for the elimination of federal involvement in education are just plain ignorant.
actually no. again the department of education has far exceeded its original mandate, and it needs to be reigned in substantially. the reason other countries are leaning our clocks in educating our young is because they are not forcing social engineering on the children. they are on the other hand pushing math, science, and other proper education on their children, and they are also pushing their children to succeed, where as we are dumbing down our children. other countries are encouraging competition in education where as we are eliminating it because "we dont want to hurt a childs feelings or damage their self esteem".
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The freedom to allow local politicians, without much or any background in education policy or administration, to make up a large majority of school decisions is a freedom that is hurting our schools and competitiveness in the global economy.
Teacher unions have to much power to protect bad teachers, so taking away tenure would also help our children.
eliminating tenure is a good first step, but we also need to eliminate the bureaucracy that has been pushed on the education system. we need to let the teachers actually teach again, rather than be glorified baby sitters. we need to set a standard for the children to attain for each level of education, and push that standard ever higher at each level. we can no longer tell little johnny, when he concludes that 2+2=5, that it was a good effort because we dont want to hurt his feelings. we have to get back to teaching children HOW to learn, how to find the resources that will let them glean the knowledge they will need for the future.
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First of all, tell me how big is that "partly" in your argument about feeding. Since you made it a central theme of your argument, I'm sure you know, for sure, the amount out of $9666/student that goes into feeding them.
while i dont know how much goes into feeding students, we need to cut back on that. at first it was free lunch for less fortunate children, and i had no problem with that. however it then grew to include many more children that it should have. and that grew to providing breakfast for children of lesser means, and now it is growing again to include dinner for children of lesser means. where does this stop? this is NOT the purview of the schools to provide three meals a day to children, that is for the parents to do. all this does is take away resources that can be put to better use in upgrading libraries, installing computer labs, strengthening shop programs, etc.
The political agenda is not what you think. Any so-called political vibes or currents you see are merely a semblance to keep the left and right paradigm alive.
The true political agenda is literally to create stupider people while appearing to have done everything possible to educate, moralize, socialize, normalize, and empower our citizens. Sad but true.
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The DOE is more for pushing political agenda these days than it is for actually teaching anything.
And yes, we've ended up with dumber kids as a result.
I'd like to add a book entitled Profscam to that list. Public school problems also extend to public universities. There are plenty of books and blogs that deliberate on the deterioration of our public schools and our higher education systems.
If you think eliminating the department of education will improve education, you're ignorant.
It's the equivalent of believing that eliminating a city's police force will reduce crime.
Which direction have average grade scores gone, since the day the Dept of ed, was formed?
Eliminating the Federal Dept of Justice and the FBI, DEA and all the other federal police, would reduce crime, not the local police where they are actually in touch with their communities(not so much in big cities)
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