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Old 01-28-2011, 06:17 PM
 
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I'm not trying to stop them.

But I do think it's stupid to even open that door when there is nothing to suggest that racial integration is responsible for poor academics.

My view is stop putting skin color and ethnic labels on people, and stop arranging and categorizing them that way. "Equal" sure is a difficult concept apparently.
I guess you were making the same point...it's a lazy Sat for me, sorry for implying your weren't. Been teaching 12hrs a day 5 days a week for the past month, so excuse some limitations on comprehension (ironic because I teach reading comprehension to ESL students).
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Genders!!


YES, Boys and girls together tend to cause trouble.

Look at the academic excellence in all girls schools and all boy schools.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:32 PM
 
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Math proficiency at 27%, that is an embarrassment.

Obviously the status quo is not working. Pairing up these kids with educated, successful, and articulate men and women who LOOK like them does have a positive value experience IMO. The principle should be applauded for trying to do what is best for the students. And it's good to see educated black men and women trying to inspire kids. It may not work perfectly, but it's a start. Until the PC police can come up with a better alternative, then what is the harm in trying?
Koodos to you. I agree.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:34 PM
 
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I guess you were making the same point...it's a lazy Sat for me, sorry for implying your weren't. Been teaching 12hrs a day 5 days a week for the past month, so excuse some limitations on comprehension (ironic because I teach reading comprehension to ESL students).
No problem. I looked back at my post and it's somewhat convoluted.

My point was that some of the folks saying that the NC school should be integrated, are some of the same folks who approve of the PA school segregation.

In other words, they are saying

NC school segregation is bad.

PA school segregation is good.

They need to make up their minds.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:35 PM
 
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Genders!!


YES, Boys and girls together tend to cause trouble.

Look at the academic excellence in all girls schools and all boy schools.

It keeps coming back to that, doesn't it.

So, what is the justification for segregation by skin color also?
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:40 PM
 
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Then a question arises. Is the segregation really needed? Why not just have more mentors? If mentors are not present, will there be gains. I think that the mentoring is the key of this scheme.
yes, I wonder what possessed this woman to pull that page (racial seg.) from history.
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Old 01-28-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It keeps coming back to that, doesn't it.

So, what is the justification for segregation by skin color also?
Read the OP link and you'll see.
27% passed math. They have tried everything.
Now they have successful mentors that will meet with the kids for 6 minutes a day. Successful Black mentors meeting with Black kids who are failing in hopes that it MIGHT inspire the Black kids to do better in school.

Is 6 minutes a day of a Black man talking to Black students too much segregation for you ?

Put your PCness in your pocket and look at the reality of the situation.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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Read the OP link and you'll see.
27% passed math. They have tried everything.
Now they have successful mentors that will meet with the kids for 6 minutes a day. Successful Black mentors meeting with Black kids who are failing in hopes that it MIGHT inspire the Black kids to do better in school.

Is 6 minutes a day of a Black man talking to Black students too much segregation for you ?

Put your PCness in your pocket and look at the reality of the situation.
I disagree that public schools have tried everything. So you are saying that the only option left is to return to a practice from our past, which supposedly didn't work back then either.

I think you misunderstood something. I am not the PC police...I am calling them out on this hypocrisy.
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Old 01-28-2011, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I disagree that public schools have tried everything. So you are saying that the only option left is to return to a practice from our past, which supposedly didn't work back then either.

I think you misunderstood something. I am not the PC police...I am calling them out on this hypocrisy.
Do you have any proof of that ? This is ONE school here and one experiment.
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Old 01-28-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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Do you have any proof of that ? This is ONE school here and one experiment.
From the article:

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The idea originated with Angela Tilghman, a McCaskey East instructional coach who was alarmed at the poor academic performance of the school's black students.
Interpret it however you wish. She became alarmed and pulled segregation out of...I dunno...her lower orifice?

Anyway, you are attempting to lead the discussion away from the fact that you cannot justify returning to a past practice that so many fought to end.
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