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Old 02-02-2011, 03:42 PM
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Not sure what I think about taxing health insurance, haven't given it a lot of thought.

I would have to know how much it would actually cost the average worker with a semi-decent healthcare plan, to start.
But you're not concerned about how much it would cost the average worker to tax his mortgage deduction? Now you've disappointed me...
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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The vote on the full repeal (which will fail) is scheduled later, one of the 1099 changes is being voted on now.
Good...let it...but those 23 dems who are up for re-election, will pay for it come 2012....

Then it will get repealed, by the new president....and the new congress...
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Good...let it...but those 23 dems who are up for re-election, will pay for it come 2012....

Then it will get repealed, by the new president....and the new congress...
The health care repeal polls show things to be a bit more mixed than you seem to think.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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The health care repeal polls show things to be a bit more mixed than you seem to think.

As you...
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Well, I'm a repub (except that I'm registered as a dem - but that's another story) and I think some reforms ARE needed. But I don't like the way obamacare was passed. For example, take the idea of eliminating pre-existing conditions or lifetime caps. Maybe they're great ideas - but they're not free. If you believe they need to be eliminated, don't just tell me the benefit, tell me how much the cost will be too, and tell me who will be paying that cost! Obamacare was passed on the basis of its benefits, while the costs were completely glossed over. I just don't think it's a good idea to ram through massive legislation on a completely partisan basis with no honest effort to arrive at a consensus that has at least considered mainstream views.
Well, guess what......I'm a Democrat.

The bill would not have been rammed through if the Republicans had given even a hint that they had any intention of compromising or honestly working TOGETHER with the Dems in any way.

The Republicans were happy with healthcare the way it was. They only threw out the bone of crossing state lines to buy health care because they had to make people believe they wanted any change at all. They were pressured into it because they knew the Dems were not going to let it go.
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The health care repeal polls show things to be a bit more mixed than you seem to think.
And Mubarak's polls show that he is loved by his people... seriously? Why would you even give traction to biased polls?

OVER 730 waivers have been doled out. 40% of those to Unions, you know, the ones who pushed for Obamacare! There are 2.3 million people who are relieved of the burden and no longer have to join HMObama. The majority of those are the ones that said we had to have it.

Not only are people who never wanted it being strapped with it, but the ones who wanted it are getting waivers to skirt it!!! America has never had such a bad case of A.D.D.

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Old 02-02-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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Well, guess what......I'm a Democrat.

The bill would not have been rammed through if the Republicans had given even a hint that they had any intention of compromising or honestly working TOGETHER with the Dems in any way.

The Republicans were happy with healthcare the way it was. They only threw out the bone of crossing state lines to buy health care because they had to make people believe they wanted any change at all. They were pressured into it because they knew the Dems were not going to let it go.
I believe you are wrong, the repubs want a change in how health care is done...but not this way....This is my own opinion...

There are so many things wrong with this bill that 733+ currently have waivers....I don't care if they might expire....a waiver can go on a long time....they will just have to re-apply for it....that's why it is a waiver....

The dems forced it down out throat, because they knew they could...just like they wanted to shove the 1500+ page omni-bus bill down our throat...
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Old 02-02-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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And Mubarack's polls show that he is loved by his people... seriously? Why would you even give traction to biased polls?

OVER 730 waivers have been doled out. 40% of those to Unions, you know, the ones who pushed for Obamacare! There are 2.3 million people who are relieved of the burden and no longer have to join HMObama. The majority of those are the ones that said we had to have it.

Not only are people who never wanted it being strapped with it, but the ones who wanted it are getting waivers to skirt it!!! America has never had such a bad case of A.D.D.
That's a GREAT point...
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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And Mubarack's polls show that he is loved by his people... seriously? Why would you even give traction to biased polls?

OVER 730 waivers have been doled out. 40% of those to Unions, you know, the ones who pushed for Obamacare! There are 2.3 million people who are relieved of the burden and no longer have to join HMObama. The majority of those are the ones that said we had to have it.

Not only are people who never wanted it being strapped with it, but the ones who wanted it are getting waivers to skirt it!!! America has never had such a bad case of A.D.D.
So wait you are trying to compare polls from a Dictatorship to polls done by U.S polling agencies?
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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But you're not concerned about how much it would cost the average worker to tax his mortgage deduction? Now you've disappointed me...
Because you don't have to have a mortgage, a house is something you buy because you can afford it.
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