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Since the agents were clearly out of their jurisdiction, they should have been arrested for trying to make a face to face deal when not a resident of the state of AZ.
Exactly. Bloomberg's agents were knowingly and willfully committing a federal felony.
They sold guns to people that couldn't pass a federal background check and you're worried about the agents violating the law...........Interesting set of priorities.
Some are. But many of the guns that are bought without a background check don't stay in the state, and a lot don't even stay in the country. It's an easy way to get around stricter laws in other states and countries, and to circumvent the intent of the federal law that requires background checks.
How many Tucson related events have you had in AZ? From what I can recall, 1. What you should be worried about are MS13 obtaining weapons that are UNREGISTERED, with serial numbers scratched off, getting into the hands of their gang members. They would never pass an NCIS chyeck and yet somehow they still get their hands on automatic machine pistols
I'm fully aware of the face to face sales rules. Why are you calling it the "gun show loophole"? Do you want to ban face to face sales?
Actually, I called it the "private seller loophole". I'm not sure what the solution is; private sales are problematic on several levels.
First, in some states, like Arizona, gun owners are not required to register their guns. This makes guns that are purchased through private sales untraceable - great for the criminals, not so great for the rest of us.
Second, no one is watching the private sellers to make sure that they are following the law - not selling to people who they suspect may not be legal buyers.
How do we solve this? I'm not sure. I don't want to get rid of guns, just make responsible gun owners. If a gun is used in a crime, shouldn't we be able to trace its history? And if someone knowingly sold a gun to a criminal, shouldn't we be able to find out who that person is?
Actually, I called it the "private seller loophole". I'm not sure what the solution is; private sales are problematic on several levels.
First, in some states, like Arizona, gun owners are not required to register their guns. This makes guns that are purchased through private sales untraceable - great for the criminals, not so great for the rest of us.
Second, no one is watching the private sellers to make sure that they are following the law - not selling to people who they suspect may not be legal buyers.
How do we solve this? I'm not sure. I don't want to get rid of guns, just make responsible gun owners. If a gun is used in a crime, shouldn't we be able to trace its history? And if someone knowingly sold a gun to a criminal, shouldn't we be able to find out who that person is?
How many Tucson related events have you had in AZ? From what I can recall, 1. What you should be worried about are MS13 obtaining weapons that are UNREGISTERED, with serial numbers scratched off, getting into the hands of their gang members. They would never pass an NCIS chyeck and yet somehow they still get their hands on automatic machine pistols
The beauty of independent thought is that I get to choose what I think, rather than you. Now, what I think is that weapons should all be registered, so that we can tell how they are getting into the hands of criminals.
One incident is too many. But we have many smaller incidents every year - robberies, home invasions, gang shootings ... Until we work out a way to make it less attractive for legal gun owners to sell to criminals, that's not going to change.
The beauty of independent thought is that I get to choose what I think, rather than you. Now, what I think is that weapons should all be registered, so that we can tell how they are getting into the hands of criminals.
One incident is too many. But we have many smaller incidents every year - robberies, home invasions, gang shootings ... Until we work out a way to make it less attractive for legal gun owners to sell to criminals, that's not going to change.
The thugs, scum et al'.....aren't getting their guns from lawful responsible owners. They are getting them on the black market. NOW how they get there is what needs to be stopped but will and can never be.
Putting rules and regulations on responsible and lawful owners will not affect those thugs, gangsters etc.
The thugs, scum et al'.....aren't getting their guns from lawful responsible owners. They are getting them on the black market. NOW how they get there is what needs to be stopped but will and can never be.
Putting rules and regulations on responsible and lawful owners will not affect those thugs, gangsters etc.
Think it through; if private sellers can sell to anyone, how do you know that they aren't selling to "thugs, scum, et al"? Answer is, you don't know that. The rules are open enough that they can sell to anyone; they can check their ethics at the door. "I need money ... who cares who hands it to me?"
Most of the guns used in crimes in NY come from guns originally purchased legally in other parts of the country (mostly in the south) and then sold on the black market.
No background checks? These private selling loopholes need to be closed immediately.
Think it through; if private sellers can sell to anyone, how do you know that they aren't selling to "thugs, scum, et al"? Answer is, you don't know that. The rules are open enough that they can sell to anyone; they can check their ethics at the door. "I need money ... who cares who hands it to me?"
I do think it through...I do this every single day.
I can tell you that responsible gun owners don't participate in this type of behavior and that they would take the firearm to a dealer or to a pawn shop
for the cash. That is guaranteed.
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