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Old 02-02-2011, 08:49 PM
Location: Austin
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Originally Posted by grimace8 View Post
maybe gov't could be IF it was efficient and in-touch with what's going on!

If you like freedom, you cannot accept government control of our lives. Even efficient government restricts freedom.

And BTW, I've never heard of efficient government.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:30 PM
Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land
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Originally Posted by jamore View Post
Libertarians are those that do not like to be called a conservative.
libertarians = conservatives.
Since when did people who were pro-choice, pro-right to privacy, pro-open borders, anti-war, anti-prohibition, anti-establishment, etc. become conservatives? These are more liberal positions if anything. The libertarian label, like all the others, has become meaningless.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OhioIstheBest View Post
Anarchy simply means lack of government. Nothing to be scared of.

The statists have kind of redefined it to mean chaos and/or violence. Anrachy has nothing to do with either.

For example, when the Iranian government was cracking down on protestors a year or so ago the U.S. govt and media was calling it anarchy. SInce it involved a government (Iran) it had nothing to do with anarchy.
Oh okay The following usually comes to mind: Young Sid Vicious types with mohawks, piercings and Union Jack t shirts running around screaming and burning cars and giving everyone the finger
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Old 02-03-2011, 11:02 AM
Location: Dallas, TX
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 View Post
This is the most concise definition I have found. I no longer consider Obama a Liberal. He's a Statist.

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The problem is with your source, using a weird two-dimensional schema to define the role of government. By that measure, everybody who is not anarchist would be statist even if they may be extreme conservatives on economic policies.

The following represents the two-dimensional political landscape that I support, and how I define various political leanings.

It uses libertarianism versus authoritarianism on social scale, while economic scale determines left and right leanings on the subject. An economic conservative can surely be an authoritarian or a libertarian, right?

As a left-libertarian, I prefer the government to stay out of peopleís personal choices on social issue (libertarianism) but on economic issues I expect government playing a role, to regulate and make the correct choices for the nationís health. IMO, President Obama would also qualify as a left-libertarian. President Bush would qualify as a right-authoritarian. A proper centrist would fall squarely in the middle. Clearly, I am a statist to some degree on economic issues but anarchist or minarchist on social.
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