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View Poll Results: Were Hitler's policies liberal or conservative?
Leaned Liberal 6 6.67%
Leaned Conservative 10 11.11%
Extremely Liberal 28 31.11%
Extremely Conservative 50 55.56%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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hitler was a pyscopathic authoritarain that rana totalitarion dictatorship....but his politics,, not his nuttyness, were to the left side of center...his views are consistant with what the american liberals currently follow

in europe he was considered rightwing.because he was 'right' of the full bodied socialists........in america he would be a leftist liberal

its the same with musolinis fascism....it was considered rightwing in europe. ...but compared to TADAY"S left AMERICAN liberal.. it would be right on target...fascism's main thing was corpotaism..controlling the corporations and people with masive REGULATIONS...the people/corporations OWNED themselfs/businesses as OPPOSED to full bodied socialism....but the government TOTALLY CONTROLLED with massive reuglation....just like TODAY'S AMERICAN liberal

Baloney.

In contemporary America, corporations control the government.
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Old 02-09-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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Baloney.
Big time
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Old 02-09-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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Hitler and the nazis were pro religion/christianity, they had a close relationship with the vatican. The catholic church saved and hid many nazis after the war from arrest and persecution.
Also to tie into Hiter's strong religious views, he was very anti abortion, anti gays, anti jew, very pro life and encouraged people to have many children (i'm sure the duggars would be hitler's wet dream ) he also was very anti smoking and drinking.
Hitler and nazism also were pro corporation, anti union, anti democracy, anti communism, anti marxism, pro nationalism, and pro fascism.
To sum it up, Hitler and nazism are far right on the political spectrum.

Your statement is historically inaccurate. The Nazi movement saw the churches as an enemy that had to be either co-opted or overcome. The Nazis were far from being "pro-Christian"

The Nazis started the "German Christian" movement in an attempt to take over the Protestant churches. Their goal was to purge Christianity of the Old Testament and any Jewish influences and re-mold it into a German national religion. This split the Protestant churches, although only a minority allied themselves with the German Christian movement. The opposition called themselves the Confessing Church, with Dietrich Bonhoeffer as one of its leaders (he was later murdered by the Nazis).

The strongest opposition to the Nazis were in the heavily Catholic areas of Germany (Bavaria, Wurttemburg, the Rhineland). Although in hindsight the history of the churches opposition to the Nazis is reprehensible, they were actually the few voices of public opposition during the 12 years of Nazi rule.

To illustrate my main point, let me quote from the book "The Third Reich at War" by Richard J Evans. From page 547:


"Hitler's hostility to Christianity reached new heights, or depths, during the war. It was a frequent theme of his mealtime monologues. After the war was over and victory assured, he said in 1942, the Concordat he had signed with the Catholic Church in 1933 would be formally abrogated and the Church would be dealt with like any other non-Nazi voluntary association. The Third Reich 'would not tolerate the intervention of any foreign inlfuence' such as the pope, and the Papal Nuncio would eventually have to go back to Rome. Priests, he said were 'black bugs', 'abortions in cassocks'. Hitler emphasized again and again his belief that Nazism was a secular ideology founded on modern science. Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition. 'Put a small telescope in a village, and you destroy a world of superstitions' 'The best thing,' he declared on 14 October 1941, 'is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science.' "

Hitler, like many politicians, invoked the name of God in his speeches, but he did this because most Germans were at least nominally Christian and this appealed to their sense of national identity.

Hitler was never a practicing Christian in his adult life, and many other leading Nazis were even more anti-Christian than he was.
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Old 02-09-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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This poll is based on the premise that "Liberal" and "Conservative" means left vs right. It doesn't.

"Liberals" and "conservatives" are both leaning toward capitalism/neo-liberalism economically. Conservatives might be slightly more authoritarian and capitalistic, but in the end, the american political debate takes place in the same quadrant of the political grid. In short, both parties are to the right (and one would argue that they are pretty similar). In many countries, including where I live, "Liberals" are viewed as part of the right-wing, and rightly so. Google any political grid and you'll see your "liberal" politicans are pretty close from conservatives.

The american media has taken two rather similar parties, drew a line between the two and pit them against each other as left vs right to make a better show. It looks like left vs right to you because it's been magnified.

You cannot apply your american liberal vs conservative quarrel to determine Hitler's political leanings because the man was completly off the chart.

With that aside, it is commonly accepted by historians that Hitler was on the far-right. This is an interesting read on why calling Hitler a leftist is a myth: Myth: Hitler was a leftist Of course, in recent years, despite what some say, the industrialized world has shifted to the right (we're a lot more to the right than in the sixties). This new reality might skew our perception about Hitler who probably look slightly more to the left or where past generations put him.

But overall, Hitler is commonly accepted as a far-right extremist .

Now you can disagree with that (providing you have more argument than the Nazi party's name), but the questions here should be...what's your motive? Why are you intersted in revisionist history on Hitler's political leaning?

The truth is that Hitler is a hot topic nowadays because a small group of the convervative right wants to equate their slightly less to the right opponent (remember, Liberals != left) to Hitler himself.

Using hyperbolic comparisons like Hitler or Stalin is a silly little political game for partisans, but a very dangerous one if it becomes widespread. It confuses the public into equating rather centrist parties to extreme politics. Once words start losing their meaning, you have an open field for REAL extremists who laud themselves as the counter-balance for their political opponents whose PERCEPTION they have twisted by repeating lies and fallcious equations, such as "liberals = nazis" Villifying your political opponent to justify your own aberrations is an age old trick and it's a shame people still fall from it.

You'd think after Hitler and the likes, we'd know better but people still throw that name around like it means nothing.
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Old 02-10-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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What a Hitler thread. Hitler seems to be alive and well in here.

It seems Hitler was exactly opposite of you, whoever you are. Hitler was the same as the things you don't like or hate.

As I say, Hitler is alive and well in this thread.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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This poll is based on the premise that "Liberal" and "Conservative" means left vs right. It doesn't.

"Liberals" and "conservatives" are both leaning toward capitalism/neo-liberalism economically. Conservatives might be slightly more authoritarian and capitalistic, but in the end, the american political debate takes place in the same quadrant of the political grid. In short, both parties are to the right (and one would argue that they are pretty similar). In many countries, including where I live, "Liberals" are viewed as part of the right-wing, and rightly so. Google any political grid and you'll see your "liberal" politicans are pretty close from conservatives.

The american media has taken two rather similar parties, drew a line between the two and pit them against each other as left vs right to make a better show. It looks like left vs right to you because it's been magnified.

You cannot apply your american liberal vs conservative quarrel to determine Hitler's political leanings because the man was completly off the chart.

With that aside, it is commonly accepted by historians that Hitler was on the far-right. This is an interesting read on why calling Hitler a leftist is a myth: Myth: Hitler was a leftist Of course, in recent years, despite what some say, the industrialized world has shifted to the right (we're a lot more to the right than in the sixties). This new reality might skew our perception about Hitler who probably look slightly more to the left or where past generations put him.

But overall, Hitler is commonly accepted as a far-right extremist .

Now you can disagree with that (providing you have more argument than the Nazi party's name), but the questions here should be...what's your motive? Why are you intersted in revisionist history on Hitler's political leaning?

The truth is that Hitler is a hot topic nowadays because a small group of the convervative right wants to equate their slightly less to the right opponent (remember, Liberals != left) to Hitler himself.

Using hyperbolic comparisons like Hitler or Stalin is a silly little political game for partisans, but a very dangerous one if it becomes widespread. It confuses the public into equating rather centrist parties to extreme politics. Once words start losing their meaning, you have an open field for REAL extremists who laud themselves as the counter-balance for their political opponents whose PERCEPTION they have twisted by repeating lies and fallcious equations, such as "liberals = nazis" Villifying your political opponent to justify your own aberrations is an age old trick and it's a shame people still fall from it.

You'd think after Hitler and the likes, we'd know better but people still throw that name around like it means nothing.
A fabulous, accurate, post that everyone on here should read and take to heart. Kudos!
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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"Were Hitler's policies liberal or conservative?"

Hitler's policies were Fascist, that is why we have the word fascist, that is why fascism is its own political conception!

Geezus!
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Were Hitler's policies more liberal or more conservative? I'm pretty sure he leaned far left.
Impossible to answer, since you have not given any context to either term. For example, a conservative in Saudi Arabia is completely different from one in the USA, and a liberal in the American colonies in the 1700s is not the same as a liberal in the USA today.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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"Were Hitler's policies liberal or conservative?"

Hitler's policies were Fascist, that is why we have the word fascist, that is why fascism is its own political conception!

Geezus!
Well, to be strictly accurate, the first Fascist government in Europe was that of Benito Mussolini -- eight years before Hitler seized control of Germany.

And just to muddy the waters, here's a quote from the Wiki article on the subject (sorry if it's already been done, I can't be bothered to read through all 20 pages.)

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Fascism sought to accommodate Italian conservatives by making major alterations to its political agenda;– abandoning its previous populism, republicanism, and anticlericalism, adopting policies in support of free enterprise, and accepting the Roman Catholic Church and the monarchy as institutions in Italy.[128] To appeal to Italian conservatives, Fascism adopted policies such as promoting family values, including promotion policies designed to reduce the number of women in the workforce limiting the woman's role to that of a mother. The fascists banned literature on birth control and increased penalties for abortion in 1926, declaring both crimes against the state.[129] Though Fascism adopted a number of positions designed to appeal to reactionaries, the Fascists sought to maintain Fascism's revolutionary character, with Angelo Oliviero Olivetti saying "Fascism would like to be conservative, but it will [be] by being revolutionary."[130] The Fascists supported revolutionary action and committed to secure law and order to appeal to both conservatives and syndicalists.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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Your biggest mistake is thinking linear. Instead of a line left at one end right at the other try bringing the ends together. You would do much better looking at the political spectrum as a circle. One point being total government control and the point 180 degrees opposite as no government control. Its freedom vs. slavery not left vs. right.
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