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Unread 02-19-2011, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Well, I remember when Colin Powell was considering a run for the presidency in 1996 - many liberal "African-Americans" squealed that he wasn't "black enough" because of his family's Caribbean background in spite of being born & educated in Harlem & New York City. Not to mention being a US Army combat veteran war hero. Didn't have that American Black Man "experience". Some even referred to him as the republican "house slave".

Then 12 years later, along comes the Hawaiian-born & schooled (along with Indonesia), half Kenyan/half white Barry Obama................
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Unread 02-20-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Bayou City Megaplex
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Well, I remember when Colin Powell was considering a run for the presidency in 1996 - many liberal "African-Americans" squealed that he wasn't "black enough" because of his family's Caribbean background in spite of being born & educated in Harlem & New York City. Not to mention being a US Army combat veteran war hero. Didn't have that American Black Man "experience". Some even referred to him as the republican "house slave".

Then 12 years later, along comes the Hawaiian-born & schooled (along with Indonesia), half Kenyan/half white Barry Obama................
To be fair, blacks didn't exactly warm up to Obama when he first entered the national stage either. Most knew little to nothing about the man, and most still claimed loyalty to the Clintons. There were many initial "is he black enough" questions circulating about in the first months, but it wouldn't be until well after Obama's first primary win that blacks started to get on board. Of course, the great irony in your post is that Powell himself endorsed Obama.
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Unread 02-20-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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A century isn't a tad broad? Lumping in Idaho with NY and holding up sorrowful pictures of Birmingham is the black centric definition of every state in the union. No, that's not a broad brush at all. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Agenda against Arkansas wasn't stated or slightly implied but here's that chip on your shoulder. No surprise. One mans sketches of experience in one era (just like my own) in one state of the union does not factually represent the whole story of his life or his state or his country. If no one bothered asking anyone else for their side of a story I guess it's easy to fall into the delusion that the universe revolves around you.

The biggest handicap for black kids of slave ancestry today is their American parents taking one sip of 'the black community'. Maybe they'll run away from home, band together like Brazilian waifs and march in the street "We shall overcome The black community". I'll cheer them on.


First off this BS attitude of yours-- I'm not a friend to amorphous blob black people anymore than I am a friend to amorphous blob white people. I am a friend to humanity until these individuals or groups animate themselves as enemies of humanity. Then I part company as did Aunt Marie when black panthers ran roughshod over her soft spoken voice denying her wisdom and worth 'for her protection'.

Whether or not you care to take stock of your own words you've just eradicated the benefit of the doubt any other American (the nuisance majority) could have about another mythology- "race relations" in America. There are some who have no intention of getting along, abiding the law, or even considering the concept that blacks and whites could ever be friends. It's sad that your concept of friendship/ fellowship is relegated to an accountants spread sheet scrutinizing the price of everyone but the value of nothing. If you ever saw people simply getting along you'd go far out of your way to be the nasty bird in their ear. Anything happens to them KKK isn't the only prime suspect. The 'black community' can't stand seeing anyone getting along.

So keep lying to yourself. I many have friends whether or not you comprehend the concept. Some of them are black. I didn't go on a mission to find them, we found each other. You want to spit on that or my Aunt Marie you've betrayed yourself as a supremacist. You're the monster you claim to point at done you wrong. FOS on steroids.


Not fact, my neighbors were not worth less or worthless. Aunt Marie was a psychiatric nurse. She was a colleague of my grandparents in the same profession and worked her way up the exact same path they did. She earned the exact same money under state contract rules for a state run hospital. There is nothing you can say or do that will ever drag her down. There is nothing you can say or do that erases the professional relationships I had with my brothers in arms who were of every race, political orientation, from every state in the union. Somehow we figured out how to keep our acts together.

Neither here nor where? Your comprehension skills are irrelevant? You remind me of those who go to church, believe themselves religious, and when the preacher stands up and says "Let us pray" the warp in your brain hears "Let us prey". Sorry, we can't help you.

You can't guarantee anything when your perceptions are this far out of touch with reality. You don't get the easy out of being diagnosed with ADD. You can pay attention, but only to the bias you mean to spin relentlessly until you have no identity at all beyond a thorn. That bias is a crutch that atrophies a man's legs. You think you'll be taller if you use it but it hobbles your birthright. The people selling it to you... 'the black community'. If you are incapable of being intellectually honest about yourself this world has nothing to offer you. Be a zombie on your own dime and stop wasting my time is the consistent answer from civilization. Not just American civilization. Not just western civilization. Worldwide civilization. It's a rather unanimous thing in any culture standing.

Ancient history is slavery. The slavery that remains within our shores is the slavery you create in your head defending tumors to the death convinced it's your identity. If all you are is a victim you will remain a victim forever. The neediness in your voice is a dinner bell for predators. The helpless routine leaves you wallowing in your own filth rotting from bedsores. These are natures rules, not civilizations rules. That's reality. "Whitey" did not invent reality. You give mere mortals far too much credit. It's all in your head.

You don't want to separate yourselves from mainstream America until you do, then change your mind again, then blame everyone else what direction your feet are pointed and the very words coming out of your mouths. You believe universal legislation ought be crafted to decorate dysfunction. Spend billions on tinsel and garland to decorate drunks only to listen to highly educated drunks oblivious to every lesson complain incessantly about pernicious problems they religiously attribute to the brand of liquor?

No doubt you don't care for my tone of voice. Stop acting like a child and you won't be spoken to as a children. Stop trolling around the halls of government as pseudo intellectual panhandlers defending tumors.
The 'black community' socialization skills: FAIL.
Responsible mature adulthood: FAIL.
Well adjusted individuals YTD: FAIL.
Healthy children YTD: FAIL

You'll claim I'm racist and persecuting you but you refuse to look at this man representing authentic black culture as worthy of your attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watach?v=9V4V6Lwbz-0
Look in the mirror. Discern what is the difference between this man BEING A MAN (adult) and yourself parroting manhood? Think again what precisely civilization rejects. Hint hint: authentic= constructive.
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You're telling me that I have a chip on my shoulder? Time to look in the mirror.


What you call a "broad brush" is the fact. I don't care whether it reflected your experience, I'm speaking solely on behalf of my grandad's. Your insistence that I'm painting a broad brush by doing that only tells me that you're in denial yourself. And my grandad's experience isn't unique either... Is it really that hard for you to accept that the majority of blacks in Arkansas at the time he was around - the 1930's - experienced exactly what he did?


And who the hell are you to tell me I'm "exaggerating" when I say the last 100 years. You think that MLK waved a magic wand and the entire country broke into Kumbaya?


More troublesome is that you're denying that your neighbors could not legally go to the same schools as you or eat in the same restaurants as you. Why do you think that was? Because the law gave two ****s about their equality? You sound more whitewashed than anything.


And then you link to some video that's supposed to teach me a lesson about "authentic" black culture? ROFL once your ego stops doing the talking for you I'll consider taking you seriously again.
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Unread 02-20-2011, 10:48 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Trash defined= no self respect. If you're looking for self esteem in a pile of gold you've missed the mark. I do not exist in the world to cut any man down out of some perverse pleasure seeing human suffering. Womans works often entails removing the chaff from people. Stop talking to women as your enemy and tune your ear.


Let's have the proof in the pudding speak for itself. Would Oprah have killed herself by now if she did not do the inner work to heal herself? All that money at her disposal to indulge any whim or addiction would have put her on a path of self destruction. Please see the marriage of Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown. He dragged her down but she let him. She had it going on but she didn't get around to doing that inner work. I hope she makes a come back but wallowing has a predictable ending. Marvin Gaye? Jimmy Hendricks? Who survives, who thrives, and who gets swallowed alive by the tumor in their mind?

The majority of Jamaica means to flee their lives? Not what I experienced and I've spent considerable time there. Have you been there? Lot's of folks seem pretty happy to me. Is it perfect? Ask them. Observations of a pattern are not stereotypes and beaten trails do not constitute the only way to go about life. Follow the herd or go it alone. Choose. The war on poverty-- you need to know and accept that some of those people made a conscious choice to be poor. White examples: Amish, Monks and Nuns, hippies living in communes, Jewish living in kibbutz, subsistence farmers of rural USA, etc etc. You need to sort out poverty based on those who mean to stay put and those who mean to engage civilization tangibly/ productively. Failing to make this distinction you've defeated yourself in flawed mission objectives.


All of the credit and none of the blame is fraudulent, true. But I don't worship chinese/ asian culture nor do I lend much credence to PR statements from the Chinese ministry of propaganda. Ironic they actually call themselves propganda, like truth in advertisment when a liar declares himself a liar.
I see their strengths and weaknesses and denying either is foolish. No human is immune, and no culture is immune. If chinese poverty has the appearance of being invisible in America I'd bet it's got something to do with their culture tending to beat the living daylights out of panhandlers. Ever peer in the kitchen in a chinese restaurant and see how intolerant they are of slackers? Look at India's culture endorsing that behavior and tacitly carrying on caste systems. Their suicide rate is very disturbing. Can we objectively LOOK at India's cultural faults or weaknesses without the presumption that because we are critical of a social ill that we're destroying the esteem of India? I have no hatred of Hindu or India in my heart. I have no vested interest bending them around to suit my taste or catholic sensibilities. If it works it works. If dysfunction exists (they're unhappy), doctors seeing cultural habits getting in the way of individual or community health shouldn't be ignored. If the difference between you (black man) living a healthy life is by putting down a salt shaker because you are genetically predisposed to hypertension/ strokes are you going to defy doctors orders because he's white and a white man did the scientific study? Nuts x 100. That same retardation comes from Archie Bunker who'd rather die than get a blood transfusion from a black. Don't force him. He decided to die. He needs to die when he's defending tumors. See?

Own your citizenship and own your right to defend yourself. Own your choices about who is in your life and who is not welcome. Statistically women are supposed to die at the hands of the men in their lives. I made choices otherwise. I do not hate men but neither will I tolerate abuse/ disrespect or ignore my responsibility to defend myself waiting around for prince charming to save me. Aunt Marie made a conscious choice of pacifism. I could not follow despite my admiration & respect of her choice.


The Bible, and most religions, are written handling womankind as an afterthought in their considerations. Same with governance. Womankind is the majority who gets little to no permission input authoring the rules. Solve that for womankind and your answers will fall into place organically.

Slaves are worthless? In Ireland my great great great grandfather could have lovingly traded me to a stranger for a goat and 2 chickens. Ain't love grand? They called it a dowry. Slaves were valued more than women. Womans work was and continues to be rewarded with punishments. Motherhood is culturally & economically punished on the globe today. Why? Look at it honestly. Don't presume I'm trying to tilt the board for grace and favor. Womankind does not animate itself to own the world covetously. I can love my father knowing he was wrong about more than a few things. I can appreciate Ireland for what it is and not deny my 'new species' American identity. Blaming me for my father when I was at the mercy of his ignorance is utterly insane. Blaming all of mankind who was equally at the mercy of a few decision makers is utterly insane.

Jesus Christ, are you incapable of writing objectively? "The majority of Jamaica means to flee their lives?" When did I ever write or insinuate that? I won't reply to you seriously until you actually learn how to read something objectively and not put words into peoples' mouths.
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Unread 02-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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I guarantee if the thread was about a Palin the reaction would have been opposite.
Seems to me, that racism is STILL the 800 pound gorilla in the room, for most Americans. They just can't handle honest discussions about race relations. Many think that because we have a black President, that life is a bowl of cherries now, for all American blacks. So most Americans would rather avoid discussions, about how African Americans still face forms of discrimination.
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Unread 02-23-2011, 03:50 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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Seems to me, that racism is STILL the 800 pound gorilla in the room, for most Americans. They just can't handle honest discussions about race relations. Many think that because we have a black President, that life is a bowl of cherries now, for all American blacks. So most Americans would rather avoid discussions, about how African Americans still face forms of discrimination.
It's past, you must look at the future.
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Unread 02-23-2011, 07:07 AM
 
Location: The 'Nati
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It's past, you must look at the future.
No it's not in the past.
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Unread 02-23-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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It's past, you must look at the future.
Racism is NOT in the past, in this country. So you're truly mistaken about that. You sound like another non-African American, who is in deep denial about our being subject to racism, in the modern world.
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Unread 02-23-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Well, I remember when Colin Powell was considering a run for the presidency in 1996 - many liberal "African-Americans" squealed that he wasn't "black enough" because of his family's Caribbean background in spite of being born & educated in Harlem & New York City. Not to mention being a US Army combat veteran war hero. Didn't have that American Black Man "experience". Some even referred to him as the republican "house slave".

Then 12 years later, along comes the Hawaiian-born & schooled (along with Indonesia), half Kenyan/half white Barry Obama................
Oh really? Which African-Americans told you that?

I always find it amazing when i learn things about my own people that i somehow missed....even though i'm 45 years old and run pretty hard in black circles. I just don't remember more than a few famous blacks who MIGHT have said this stuff on Colin Powell.

I use to feel pretty black back in the day...but since coming to C-D, I'm beginnig to realize how un-black i really am. All these "other folks" know more about my people than i do! LMAO
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Unread 02-23-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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Well, I remember when Colin Powell was considering a run for the presidency in 1996 - many liberal "African-Americans" squealed that he wasn't "black enough" because of his family's Caribbean background in spite of being born & educated in Harlem & New York City. Not to mention being a US Army combat veteran war hero. Didn't have that American Black Man "experience". Some even referred to him as the republican "house slave".

Then 12 years later, along comes the Hawaiian-born & schooled (along with Indonesia), half Kenyan/half white Barry Obama................
I also remember Colin Powell was totally frozen the policy sessions leading up to the war in Iraq that was orchestrated by Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.

Paul Wolfowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In the first emergency meeting of the National Security Council on the day of the attacks, Rumsfeld asked, "Why shouldn’t we go against Iraq, not just al-Qaeda?" with Wolfowitz adding that Iraq was a "brittle, oppressive regime that might break easily—it was doable," and, according to John Kampfner, "from that moment on, he and Wolfowitz used every available opportunity to press the case."[34] The idea was initially rejected, at the behest of Secretary of State Colin Powell, but, according to Kampfner, "Undeterred Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz held secret meetings about opening up a second front—against Saddam. Powell was excluded." In such meetings they created a policy that would later be dubbed the Bush Doctrine, centering on "pre-emption" and the war on Iraq, which the PNAC had advocated in their earlier letters.[35]
Then the Bush 43 Administration basically pimped Colin Powell and used him because he was the most credible person in the administration on national security issues to go before the United Nations with fabricated intelligence to convince the international community to support a war which he himself did not believe in. The result is which he's never really fully regained his credibility on the national and international arena.

Colin Powell is a perfect example of how the American Conservative Movement is perfectly willing to use and discard prominent Black Americans once they have served their purposes. I also give you J.C. Watts and Michael Steele as examples.
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