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Old 02-14-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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The cost is half because there is competition among insurance companies in Switzerland. There are about 80 insurance companies in Switzerland. There are not a fraction of that number in most states. There are near monopolies in some states.
And they are non-profit making on basic insurance and all Swiss residents are required to carry basic insurance.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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And they are non-profit making on basic insurance and all Swiss residents are required to carry basic insurance.

That's not the reason their costs are low. Because they are non profit doesn't mean they don't pay their executives. See below why Swiss costs are so low.

Article | Universal health insurance that's not under government control

"The Swiss buy health insurance from more than 80 competitive insurance firms that, in turn, reimburse Switzerland’s primarily private hospitals and physicians. The government’s role is limited to subsidizing the poor so they can shop for health insurance just like everybody else, and ensuring that the sick pay the same prices as the healthy.
This consumer-controlled universal health care system costs 40 percent less than ours, and the quality of care and availability of resources exceed even those in wealthy Connecticut. It controls costs and quality because people buy the insurance that gives them the best value for the money. The insurers, in turn, control their prices by favoring cost-effective providers."
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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What is it exactly that you don't understand about the fact that health care reform is all about the government saving money?????

You know that it costs GM about $2000 more PER CAR to produce them in Detroit rather than across the river in Windsor in HEALTH CARE COSTS alone.

Why is this concept so difficult to grasp for so many Americans?

I think they are brainwashed by Big medicine and their right wing whores in the media.
The United States government has never been good at saving money.

I usually buy a car about once every 10 years. So for a savings of $200 per year I should pay more taxes to pay for other people's health care. I don't think so.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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"Why Universal healthcare is perceived as a sin in mainland US?"

Americans reject anything which does not promote the national motto: everybody for himself.
We also believe in being self-sufficient, at least some of us do.

Last edited by Minethatbird; 02-14-2011 at 08:15 PM.. Reason: spelling
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I think they are brainwashed by Big medicine and their right wing whores in the media.
wow talk about backwards

if it was 'right wing' then they (as you guys say the right wing is controlled by business) would be all FOR singlepayer

as a businessman..I would love singlepayer..I wont have to worry about paying for the health insurance of my employees anymore




I would love for some supporter of a singlepayer. to answer one question..because I would love a singlepayer...just how are you going to pay for it

even if we take the european costs (theirs is about 4k per person, as opposed to our 7k per person(and that is an average (becasue some people need more and some need less))...4k times 320 million (our population) is 1,280,000,000,000 that's 1.2 trillion dollars a year...that we cant afford....our current budget is over 1.8 trillion ON THE HOLE

so just how would you propose paying for it...and let's remember there are less than 110 million WORKING TAXPAYERS in this country.



I would wager a guess that, non of you would even consider the 'fair-tax'...bet most will say 'tax the rich'...guess what the you could tax the rich at 100% and you still couldnt pay for it
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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Why would we want to repeat the terrible mistakes other countries have made - look around at the countries with UHC, see them imploding from the cost.

We have plenty of examples of UHC FAILURE around the world.
You mean how they have longer life expectancies.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mean how they spend less of their GDP on healthcare than us??

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (most recent) by country

You mean how their infant mortality rates are less than ours?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Three big failures of those evil socialists.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You mean how they have longer life expectancies.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mean how they spend less of their GDP on healthcare than us??

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (most recent) by country

You mean how their infant mortality rates are less than ours?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Three big failures of those evil socialists.
sorry pal

those numbers mean nopthing as far as medical

they are life style numbers


you think that the 2x amount of traffic accident is NOT going to lower the top level??? guess you failed averaging in math

you think the lack of exersise in america is not going to lower the life expectancie...guess you cant see the forrest through the trees

you think that our diverse population doesnt effect the AVERAGE...btw the asian life expectanciy IN AMERICA is much higher than the caucasian, and even greater than the black....hmmm



demographics, to include eating habits, GENES, TEEN PREGNANCIES, traffic, cancer, etc..ALL effect those numbers

no matter WHAT COUNTRY you are talking about

funny japan is higher than any of the european countries...in life expectancy..and the 3rd lowest in infant mortality....connected...hmmmmm....certainly genetic

btw Asian Americans have the highest life expectancy (85.8 years)of all sub groups in the USA.................

higher than the 82 in the actual country of japan........higher than any asian in europe............


the numbers go way worse if you look at africans in america where the life expectancy is only 70 years...and we have a much higher PERCENTAGE of africans in america than in europe...there is estimated to be 5-8 million africans in ALL OF EUROPE...there are 37 Million in the USA alone....

please dont tell me those numbers dont EFFECT/AFFECT the life expectancy AVERAGE






genetics proved

again not a health CARE issue...a life style and genetic issue
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There is no way all of the above is due strictly to genetics.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You mean how they have longer life expectancies.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You mean how they spend less of their GDP on healthcare than us??

Total expenditure on health as % of GDP (most recent) by country

You mean how their infant mortality rates are less than ours?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

Three big failures of those evil socialists.

Lol, you do realize most countries calculate their infant mortality rates differently, causing their rates to look better than they actually are thus increasing their life expectancies.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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The United States government has never been good at saving money.

I usually buy a car about once every 10 years. So for a savings of $200 per year I should pay more taxes to pay for other people's health care. I don't think so.
Duh!! you miss the point completely. I'm not talking about you as a car consummer. I'm talking about companies producing in the USA. The present healthcare system is making the country less and less competitive therefore driving millions of jobs out of the country. The rust belt states are bad enough now as it is. There needs to be reform just to keep what jobs are left there. Why would Ford or GM or Toyota or any other company build cars in Michigan when they could build them in Ontario and make $2000 more per unit?
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