Why Universal healthcare is perceived as a sin in mainland US? (health care, radical)

[calibro1]

Originally Posted by Edu983

Most of the pharma industries are owned by Europeans (Pfizer for example)

So who is really benefiting from the lack of UHC?

Why UHC isnt a right?

It is a right in Europe, Canada, and OZ. Even in some developing countries.

Pfizer is based in New York.

[lifelongMOgal]

Originally Posted by Edu983

All the developed countries have universal healthcare. Hawaii is the only US state with it. Why U.S. Social SECURITY doesnt include health SECURITY?

False premise as MA has "Romneycare" and yes, it is a failure.

Socialism is not compatable with the US Constitution. Nationalized health care is the largest form of socialism/social enginnering and control there is. Why does anyone want to give the government the power of life and death over them, for a little security? Is that all your liberty is worth to you? Really? I suggest moving to one of the contries that offers you security in exchange for your freedom if you value your freedom so little.

[Edu983]

Originally Posted by parfleche

do you have health ins? if yes do you pay for it? just wondering

I have insurance, but still... there are deductibles.

[sanrene]

Originally Posted by Edu983

Can you cite 1 example of a developed nation where UHC is a failure?

The UK HC system is imploding under the cost and burden.

Same with Canada.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/wo...25britain.html
Britain Plans Radical Changes to Health Care System - Kaiser Health News

After being touted as the ultimate role model, Britain's National Health Service, a fiscal failure, is about to be radically decentralized.

Is this really news to you?

Why do we want to emulate HC systems that are failing before our very eyes?

Canadian Health Care System

Dr. Anne Doig, the new president of the Canadian Medical Association, says Canada’s health care system is “sick”, according to an interview in the Canadian Press.

She added, “We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize.”

Is this really news to you?

"Sicko" Presents False View of Cuba's Health System

[Pretzelogik]

Originally Posted by Edu983

Can you cite 1 example of a developed nation where UHC is a failure?

There are more than 50 million us nationals without medical insurance. Isnt that a failure?

Honolulu is ranked as the US city with the highest quality of life. I think UHC is 1 of the reasons why Hawaiians live well.

Don't suppose climate might have something to do with it? Abercrombie quiet on state The state's budget is a mess...socialism get you nowhere.

[parfleche]

you sure ask a lot of questions for someone who cant answer any

[lifelongMOgal]

Originally Posted by Edu983

Why UHC isnt a right?

It is a right in Europe, Canada, and OZ. Even in some developing countries.

Fallacious arguement. The government doesn't grant rights.

[Edu983]

Originally Posted by calibro1

Pfizer is based in New York.

True.

[lifelongMOgal]

Originally Posted by Edu983

I have insurance, but still... there are deductibles.

So what you really want is a "free" handout at the cost of everyone around you?

Tell us why you shouldn't be responsible for the bulk cost of your own healthcare, including your deductibles?


Seriously, if you want it move to Europe or Canada.

[boiseguy]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Why would we want to repeat the terrible mistakes other countries have made - look around at the countries with UHC, see them imploding from the cost.

We have plenty of examples of UHC FAILURE around the world.

our system is a failure by failure's standards as well... so what do you propose?