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You do see the difference right? Oh wait a minute, maybe you were a product of public schools.............
I think the point that he was making was that people are less concerned with their children's education than other things. It's not about whether or not one is publicly funded or not, his post was about priorities.
Education should be a priority. I understand that this is a state/local issue, however I feel that federal funds should help prop up education spending (teacher's pay, admin pay, para-educational staff/teacher's aides pay, etc.) instead of paying Exxon subsidies (which is consistently ranked in the top 10 most profitable companies in the world). I think that we should invest more in creating a world class system with increased incentives to become a teacher (attracting the best and brightest to educate the future of our nation) instead of paying for airplanes with two engines that the pentagon repeatedly told Republicans we do not want nor need (we finally ended that). I think that we should increase the amount of teachers per school as to decrease class sizes since studies show that individual attention produces results. This, to me, seems more important than decreasing revenue by increasing tax breaks for the richest Americans.
A nation should have its priorities in line. While I agree that hard decisions must be made, I don't think that it should be some sort of fiat. We should not end collective bargaining of unions in WI.
Yes, these are tough times for everyone. However, it seems that we middle class Americans would rather inflict pain on ourselves as to serve corporate interests.
I've never once seen a teacher, heard of a teacher, or have myself, as a teacher, talked on my phone in the classroom or while I was on the clock (I was an ABA tutor previously).
Just because you never saw it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My kids have told me and also other kids have told me. The one teacher got caught because I had to tell the principal what was going on. I suppose you didn't know about a teacher that left the classroom for most of it either.
I am not saying that all teachers are like that but it does happen. It seems to me at least in my kids schools that some of the teachers just don't care. Then again there are some wonderful teachers and it shows in every thing they do.
this would be an apples and clod of dirt argument.
on the first hand, a baseball player is most certainly NOT paid with tax payer money. He is paid by his employer who is a private business.
a teacher however is paid by tax payers and while paying teachers is certainly something that is important to all of us, we cannot pay teachers at such a rate that their pay bankrupts the state.
back to the baseball player.
the owner of the team pays the player based on how many people will watch that guy perform. If the pay exceeds the amount the owner can regain by ticket sales etc, the owner will part ways with the player.
Let's not forget supply and demand.......
Heck, I'm a pharmacist and I think I deserve as much as the 25th man on a MLB roster. But the market doesn't agree.
One more thing. If the player has a lousey year, so long. Not so much a teacher.
^^It's a public/private partnership, though. Most stadiums are tax funded and taxpayer maintained. "Socialized baseball" as one of our crustier newspaper guys called it when we had to vote on Coors Field. And even though the payor is different, isn't it amazing that we consider a few millions no big deal for a pro athlete, but $50K for a teacher is "outrageous"?
I think the point that he was making was that people are less concerned with their children's education than other things. It's not about whether or not one is publicly funded or not, his post was about priorities.
It is a poor point. individuals do not pay $7 million to watch an athlete. No one is compelled to pony up money for sports events. Plus in most cities they have choice in sports. Maybe it teachers aloowed school choice you would see some very well compensated employees. teachers want all the upside but none of the down side. Bad teachers are paid trhe same as good teachers not so, in sports, bad athletes loose their jobs, but fast.
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Originally Posted by calibro1
Education should be a priority. I understand that this is a state/local issue, however I feel that federal funds should help prop up education spending (teacher's pay, admin pay, para-educational staff/teacher's aides pay, etc.) instead of paying Exxon subsidies (which is consistently ranked in the top 10 most profitable companies in the world). I think that we should invest more in creating a world class system with increased incentives to become a teacher (attracting the best and brightest to educate the future of our nation) instead of paying for airplanes with two engines that the pentagon repeatedly told Republicans we do not want nor need (we finally ended that). I think that we should increase the amount of teachers per school as to decrease class sizes since studies show that individual attention produces results. This, to me, seems more important than decreasing revenue by increasing tax breaks for the richest Americans.
A nation should have its priorities in line. While I agree that hard decisions must be made, I don't think that it should be some sort of fiat. We should not end collective bargaining of unions in WI.
Yes, these are tough times for everyone. However, it seems that we middle class Americans would rather inflict pain on ourselves as to serve corporate interests.
I am not sure what role coporate interests play in the fact that we are out of money, something has to give. Asking teachers to make modest concessions is not outrageous. their behavior in Wisconsin is.
Throwing money at education does zero to improve it. Are you suggesting if we paid teachers more they would teach better?
Oh poor GOP. Yall thought sticking it to teachers was good politics.
LOL
LOL, it seems the teachers, their unions and the Dems are looking very bad here. It is the same scenario that played out in NJ. Except the Dem politicians weren't dumb enough to ignore the will of the people.
Just because you never saw it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My kids have told me and also other kids have told me. The one teacher got caught because I had to tell the principal what was going on. I suppose you didn't know about a teacher that left the classroom for most of it either.
I am not saying that all teachers are like that but it does happen. It seems to me at least in my kids schools that some of the teachers just don't care. Then again there are some wonderful teachers and it shows in every thing they do.
I didn't say it never happened. However, I will I know for A FACT that this is RARE.
Again, the whole notion of "teachers that don't care" is VERY subjective.
I was criticized by one parent as being too harsh. The same day I got a call stating that I was too lax. It's highly subjective according to the children's personality.
Concerning the teacher on the phone: What was the context? Was it an emergency? Was (s)he checking the time or turning off the phone?
Concerning the teacher away from the class: What was the context? Were they making photocopies in quick sec? Where they getting a form from the office? Were they called in for something? Teachers do leave the classroom for a myriad of reasons.
That's the thing with student reports...they are sometimes unreliable (since they don't understand the workings of being a teacher).
One parent started yelling at me since she heard that I asked her child to stop writing her homework in her schedule. Later, in tears, the child told the mom the truth that she was passing notes to her friend in Korean (I'm in Seoul as an ESL teacher, thus no writing in Korean). The mom was highly embarrassed.
So I would check out the context before jumping to conclusions.
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