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Old 02-17-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I was off by $3,000 dollars a year. In Madison it's 33k. In some rural school districts it goes down to about 27k. As for the high end, that's probably true...maybe not since CA usually has the amongst the highest for the high end at around 90k. I'd have to dig it up.

It's not 20,000 in benefits a year btw.
Who said $20k in benefits?
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:50 AM
 
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these teachers seem to be a bit unreasonable considering how tight the state budget must be there.
"A bit"? How much would it take to be very unreasonable? Should we make them the only people in America that will not suffer any consequences of this nation's economic collapse at the expense of everyone else? We're all going to have to pay. All.
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Old 02-18-2011, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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Here's alittle info on what's in their contracts.

What’s Really in Those Union Contracts | Media Trackers
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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From what I've seen, it appears to me that the state is wanting teachers to pay half of what other Wisconsin citizens pay for their healthcare and pension plans.

I've long said that unions in government jobs is a bad thing. You've got almost unlimited pocket books, and then groups holding the tax payers hostages for more money from that pocket book.

I can't back the teachers here. I have no problem with unions, Unions are free market and have a place. But in this case, the union is wrong, and they should go to the table to hammer out a deal.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The tax burden on the people of WI is high enough already.
Well the public workers might think otherwise since they are dependent on taxpayers for their salaries and raises.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:19 AM
 
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I think the fight to keep collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin is a GOOD THING--and that's what the vast majority of public workers are protesting over--but I don't support the wildcat strike (meaning not organized by the union leadership--they did it on their own) the teachers are on, and I don't think it helps their cause. I personally don't think public employees should have the right to strike--Wisconsin is one of the few that lets them. Most states handle it with binding arbitration--if they can't come to an agreement, the union and management both make a case before a neutral arbitrator, or judge, who makes a ruling that they're both required by law to uphold.

I think the current teachers strike was a dumb move--it makes them look greedy, and it takes away from the biggest issue--the attempt by the governor and R's to end the right for public workers to bargain in any meaningful way.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:23 AM
 
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Some of us newly minted grads (2 years out now) want to become teachers, but are facing the reality that I can't pay off my debts and try to help society. I have to choose between the two or stay abroad.

Here, I get free housing, pension, severance pay, healthcare, dental. At least 5 people I've met in the 3 months of living abroad were teachers that were under compensated in their respective districts. They are saving up to get a masters degree (like me) to hopefully find a job that pays okay back in the states. However, it seems less and less likely.

Some of those concessions could be about not helping tuition repayment for teachers. The average starting salary in WI for a bachelor's degree is $31,000. That's not that much considering the amount of loans many people have.

I think that had the collective bargaining not been messed with, there would still be an uproar, but not as much of one.
First of all, I call BULL. You say "try to help society". The behavior of the teachers are proving otherwise - they only care about themselves.

Secondly, teachers must be a pretty stupid group of people if they pay more for an education than their jobs are worth.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Some of us newly minted grads (2 years out now) want to become teachers, but are facing the reality that I can't pay off my debts and try to help society. I have to choose between the two or stay abroad.

Here, I get free housing, pension, severance pay, healthcare, dental. At least 5 people I've met in the 3 months of living abroad were teachers that were under compensated in their respective districts. They are saving up to get a masters degree (like me) to hopefully find a job that pays okay back in the states. However, it seems less and less likely.

Some of those concessions could be about not helping tuition repayment for teachers. The average starting salary in WI for a bachelor's degree is $31,000. That's not that much considering the amount of loans many people have.

I think that had the collective bargaining not been messed with, there would still be an uproar, but not as much of one.

You still don't get it we (the public) are out of money. If the compensation in teaching isn't enough for you, find something else to do.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:29 AM
 
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I used to work in insurance, trust me it's not that easy. It was MY job to make it hard to read and understand the lingo. I had LAWYERS ask me to interpret the legalese in the documents.

This our national education, not a corporation. If coca-cola reports lowered earning our future is still relatively more secure. If people don't want to become teachers and thus Johnny can't read, our nation is much less secure.
Here's where your argument is horribly flawed - JOHNNY CAN'T READ. For all the excessive amounts of money pumped into the education system, kids are doing worse.
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Old 02-18-2011, 06:34 AM
 
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Oh really? Then why haven't the teachers turned against this "unhinged" union? The Republicans have the power. All the teachers would have to do is support the Republicans and have the unions quashed.

Non-teachers just don't get it.
Because it's obvious that the teachers are just as unhinged. The signs themselves show that. I hope they're all willing to take full responsibility if, heaven forbid, something horrible happens to the governor. Those cross hairs can't mean anything other than "take a shot at him right between the eyes" now can it?

Yes, the Republicans do have the power. The people voted them in because were clear about how they would handle their budget. It's not for the unions and their thugs to try and override the election results. But that is the liberal way...
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