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Old 02-18-2011, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Corporate telecoms are spending Millions lobbying for the defeat of net neutrality so they can begin to charge for what is free now.
It's not "free." Do you have any idea just how much bandwidth is required to feed YouTube or Netflix junkies?

You have tiered cable service - do you get HBO and Showtime for "free?" You have tiered telephone service - do you get long distance and international calls for "free?" You have tiered auto insurance - do you get comp and collision for "free?"

There is nothing wrong with tiered Internet service. Do I want it? Heck, no! I want to suck up as much bandwidth as I desire without paying more for it than my neighbor that only checks their email once per month - but that's just me being selfish.

I think that ISPs should be able to structure their product offerings any way they like. If I don't like what they offer, I'm free to get my service from their competitors, or even (gasp!) start my own.

There's also the technical issues surrounding the NN principle that "all bits are created equal." They're not. Certain traffic currently has (and deserves) a higher priority than other traffic, and putting them all on equal priority would drive the quality of many Internet services down the toilet.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hmm, interesting that you say you agreed with the post you quoted then went on to say the exact opposite of what you said you agreed to....
I agree to stop the funding. Stop the funding, you stop government control. Hope that cleared it up for you.
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Old 02-18-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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Right wingers want to hand more power to corporations so they can control the flow of information to you. They will act as your information gatekeepers.....Good stuff they like (profitable to them) will be streamed to you...Bad stuff they don't like (anti-corporate speech, anything that would effect their power or bottom line, organizations that don't have big bucks, anything contrary to the biases of the owners) will be put on the slow boat.

Telecoms are hugely profitable now...( even with the Netflix downloads you poor babies) and they want to be even more profitable. ..

That's why they are pushing this.....to make more money.

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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That's why they are pushing this.....to make more money.
This gets my vote for the "most obvious statement of the month" award.

How long did it take you to have that epiphany, anyway?

So tell us - why is a business seeking to increase profits a bad thing?
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If anything the basic principals of net neutrality promote freedom of speech.

Without these safeguards in place a ISP could strangle off small sites like city data.... You do realize the internet is operating under these principals right now?
Thank you!

It is amazing how people run around with anything their favorite political party and politicians pass, without thinking even once about the implications.

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Now this is backing freedom of speech!
Whose freedom? Did you, so far, see the internet as one that didn't deliver that? What change do you expect from such "backing" of freedom of speech. I'm curious.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Agreed.
More government control which the Dems back. Price controled, tiered net brought to you by government. .
I have a problem with price controls, I have no issue with allowing the ISP's to offer tiered service as long as that service remains neutral to the content providers. You the consumer should pay for what you use.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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That's fear driven. Hasn't happened but the "fear" has been used to sell this. Fix it when they see it's broke.
This all started because Comcast was throttling and dropping P2P traffic, the FCC got on their case about it and instead they opted for a bandwidth cap. Granted P2P is mostly the sharing of copyrighted material, they were using an excessive amount of bandwidth and other issues but it sets a bad precedent if the ISP is deciding what services or content providers are getting the bandwidth.

As I've said before you need tiered pricing models, set it up just like the water company and charge per GB. The most imporatant thing is that ISP's are not allowed to give priority to one site or service.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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Now this is backing freedom of speech!
If you like freedom of speech as it's currently embodied by the Internet, you should be very much in favor of Net Neutrality.

But I've come to realize that this is an argument that can't be won. "It's government, hence it's bad." <shrug> Enjoy your ComCast Internet experience.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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As I've said before you need tiered pricing models, set it up just like the water company and charge per GB. The most imporatant thing is that ISP's are not allowed to give priority to one site or service.
What thecoalman said. Charge for consumption. Don't start messing with traffic prioritization.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:38 AM
 
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Where does the FCC get the authority to regulate the internet?
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