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Old 02-23-2011, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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I'm sure it would be against the law. Canada is a socialist country- no thanks.
Canada is NOT a socialist country by a long long shot. In fact there are things that are more socialist in the USA than in Canada. Like your unemployment insurance programme. That's neither here or there. Thr fact of the matter is that because Canada obviously cares a great deal more for personal freedoms than the USA does we decided a long time ago that workers have a right to band together and form whatever association they choose to. That is freedom and it's not freedom to deny people the right of association in any case. And that is in the USA constitution also.
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm sure it would be against the law. Canada is a socialist country- no thanks.
The idea of union was supported by the guy we know as Adam Smith. He wrote "The Wealth of Nations". You should read it. Perhaps then you will recognize "human issue" is beyond capitalism and socialism?
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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Canada would be my first choice of alternate country when things really go bad here...
and I am serious...

There appears to be no ounce of compromise in Governor Walker or his supports in the Legislature--even though by now SOME of them should be realizing that the Governor is not playing straight and true with THEM any more than he is with the Democrats there or the protestors in the Capital area or anyone who listens to him in the media...

He has no intention of deviating from his "master plan" to kill unions, reduce the true power of the people in Wisconsin, and deliver a reward to his campaign contributors on a grand scale--
whether it be the police/fire/state police unions who backed him in the election or the Koch brothers and their minions--who will probably wind up with a very cheap power plant or two...

And the people who believe like Walker does--they also don't want compromise--
they don't know it when it is offered to them--they view it as weakness (and pathetic knuckling under)
they just take it and twist the arm offering it a little more...
Outright capitulation is what they want--no contra-voice in the arena...
They don't WANT a democratic forum--
Fascism, oligarchy, maybe even a theocracy-- not socialism which philosophically values the individual way too much--that is what they are heading for--

although they will never admit to it and will not recognize it when it arrives...
To acknowledge Fascism or Oligarchy you have to be aware of what it is NOT--
and they won't ever admit they have strayed from democratic values--because that would ultimately mean they were wrong...
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjH9nBa20Uc
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:55 PM
 
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MSNBC.
All is explained.
I'll counter-attack with Glen Beck so there might be two or three truths between us in the whole argument.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:49 PM
 
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Canada is NOT a socialist country by a long long shot. In fact there are things that are more socialist in the USA than in Canada. Like your unemployment insurance programme. That's neither here or there. Thr fact of the matter is that because Canada obviously cares a great deal more for personal freedoms than the USA does we decided a long time ago that workers have a right to band together and form whatever association they choose to. That is freedom and it's not freedom to deny people the right of association in any case. And that is in the USA constitution also.
Tell me again why so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare when you have that great socialist healthcare system? Because it works so well??
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Tell me again why so many Canadians come to the US for healthcare when you have that great socialist healthcare system? Because it works so well??
This is one of the biggest, stupidist myths around. According to Stats Canada, these are the numbers.

% of Canadians that have had healthcare in the USA. This includes all travellers, snowbirds, etc. .2% of the population.

% of Canadians that have travelled to the USA FOR healthcare. .1% of the population.
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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BS

Where are your stats?
Look it up at Statistics Canada.

I personally know at least a thousand people through church, business, friends, family, etc. I know one person out of all of them that has gone to the USA for healthcare. To boot I live right on the border minutes from the USA.
My fatherin law was in a hospital in Toronto that is the best in the world in repairing hernias, The Shouldice clinic. Guess what? The place was full of Americans.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: AL
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Do people understand that WI has to do with "PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS"?

This has nothing to do with the private sector,I love when I see all the "private" sector union people marching,dopes.
Best part of all this is ..the private union people are marching with the people who are sucking there wallets dry lolol.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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It's the Inequality, Stupid | Mother Jones

If you think that the people who want to squash collective bargaining in public unions DON"T want to do the same with private ones--you have not been reading/hearing anything except Republican / conservative produced media

and if you don't understand why taking collective bargaining away from ANY group of workers in an economy is dangerous to the greater group of residents of that economy then you don't have much knowledge of history or economics...
there has NEVER been a great nation that was also a true democracy/republic where the workers did not have an equal voice in the workplace or the statehouse--

One of Hitler's first moves on taking power in Germany as a dictator was to disband ALL unions--
May 1933: Hitler Abolishes Unions | NEWS JUNKIE POST

Of course there are millions of people who DON'T have any accurate knowledge of history or economics--
who apparently think that creating an uber-wealthy level of society--which has been growing and growing in this country since the 80s when Reagan initiated trickle-down economic (a truly dumb idea)--will benefit them --
Most of the people in country who work for a salary have seen very little true income growth--because of the spread of taxation in various forms and often on the paychecks of those making less than 100K a year...and inflation
Alan Greenspan's reign was a true bane to the working class and actually most of the middle class because in keeping inflation low--interest rates close to zero--he effectively also made it necessary to cap salary increases and the minimum wage--Republicans loved that and so did business interests...
But the salaries of CEOs and executives in most profitable companies began to surge well beyond what the average employee in those companies made--
rampant greed drove those compensations packages--and companies would cut employment costs by moving jobs overseas--and yet still have astronomical executive salaries and perks--
there was little effort to be fair in the workplace in many companies have very successful earnings--
so I don't put lot of faith in the notion that companies will treat employees fairly out of the goodness of their hearts or even the forces of the market place--

Somehow the people in this country have been brainwashed into believing that what is good for Big Business and the Uber-rich is also good for them...
IT IS NOT--
the period of time in the US when the balance of wealth was spread over more income groups with more equality was during the 50s when the tax rates on the wealthy people were the highest--really high--
and yet they still managed to stay solvent
and it is interesting to note that in many ways countries like Egypt are actually MORE equal than here in the US--

Inequality In America Is Worse Than In Egypt, Tunisia Or Yemen → Washington's Blog

check the map/chart

The people in the US have allowed themselves to be distracted from the true problems in this country--the inequality of wealth and the rise of the military/industrial/special interest groups with issues like Voter ID and gay marriage and abortion rights
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