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wow...taking 3 months off every year? No teacher can complain about salaries if they actually take summers off. Isn't that just a little bit lazy?
We don't have 3 months. My year will end on May 24, 2013. The fall semester starts (for teachers) the first week of August. So, it's more like a little over 2 months that we are not teaching.
However, if your were to come by my school during the summer, you would find that over 1/4 of the teachers here at any given day. And not necessarily the same 1/4 of the faculty. We are working on our rooms, developing new lesson plans from new text books/resources, helping with scheduling for next year, etc. All without receiving extra pay (well, some do, but they ae on 12-month contracts, not the usual 10-month contract). I practice new chemistry & physics labs because I don't have my classroom during the academic year (a roaming teacher must use it).
Why is it that some people feel that they can tell me what I do on my job when they have never done it themselves? I have a brain, but that doesn't give me the right to tell a neurosurgeon how to give a lobotomy. I have driven over bridges, but that doesn't give me the right to tell engineers how to build one. I have a checking/savings account, but that doesn't give me the right or knowledge to tell accountants how to give audits.
And just because you've sat on the student's side of the desk doesn't give you any knowledge on what's it's like to sit on the teacher's side of the desk. That's as da*n foolish as the proverbial 5-yr old that says he can't stand the taste of peas, without ever having tasted them. Do not tell me what my job is (or especially, how to do it) until you've done it yourself. You don't know what we do after school or during the breaks.
What most of us teachers would like from society is not higher pay, or better benefits or larger retirements. Most of us would like for you people to stop your b*tching and extend us some frickin courtesy for doing a job that most of you would quit in the first month.
We don't have 3 months. My year will end on May 24, 2013. The fall semester starts (for teachers) the first week of August. So, it's more like a little over 2 months that we are not teaching.
However, if your were to come by my school during the summer, you would find that over 1/4 of the teachers here at any given day. And not necessarily the same 1/4 of the faculty. We are working on our rooms, developing new lesson plans from new text books/resources, helping with scheduling for next year, etc. All without receiving extra pay (well, some do, but they ae on 12-month contracts, not the usual 10-month contract). I practice new chemistry & physics labs because I don't have my classroom during the academic year (a roaming teacher must use it).
Why is it that some people feel that they can tell me what I do on my job when they have never done it themselves? I have a brain, but that doesn't give me the right to tell a neurosurgeon how to give a lobotomy. I have driven over bridges, but that doesn't give me the right to tell engineers how to build one. I have a checking/savings account, but that doesn't give me the right or knowledge to tell accountants how to give audits.
And just because you've sat on the student's side of the desk doesn't give you any knowledge on what's it's like to sit on the teacher's side of the desk. That's as da*n foolish as the proverbial 5-yr old that says he can't stand the taste of peas, without ever having tasted them. Do not tell me what my job is (or especially, how to do it) until you've done it yourself. You don't know what we do after school or during the breaks.
What most of us teachers would like from society is not higher pay, or better benefits or larger retirements. Most of us would like for you people to stop your b*tching and extend us some frickin courtesy for doing a job that most of you would quit in the first month.
How can you say we would quit in the first month when you just admitted you have no clue what we do?
It may be alot easier and more fulfilling then what we do and we may love it.
Here is the issue with telling us we do not know what teachers do- #1- we all went to school and we all saw what teachers do on a daily basis for the first 22+ years of our lives
#2- Many of us are parents with children in school- we interact with teachers either directly or indirectly on a daily basis- helping kids with homework- parent teacher conferences.
There is a much better chance that the public knows what teacher's career consists of then a teacher knowing what a private sector employee's career consists of. Its why many private sector employees go to teach later in life and not vice versa.
Can we all say we know basically what a Postal worker's job consists of- I think so.
We don't have 3 months. My year will end on May 24, 2013. The fall semester starts (for teachers) the first week of August. So, it's more like a little over 2 months that we are not teaching.
However, if your were to come by my school during the summer, you would find that over 1/4 of the teachers here at any given day. And not necessarily the same 1/4 of the faculty. We are working on our rooms, developing new lesson plans from new text books/resources, helping with scheduling for next year, etc. All without receiving extra pay (well, some do, but they ae on 12-month contracts, not the usual 10-month contract). I practice new chemistry & physics labs because I don't have my classroom during the academic year (a roaming teacher must use it).
Why is it that some people feel that they can tell me what I do on my job when they have never done it themselves? I have a brain, but that doesn't give me the right to tell a neurosurgeon how to give a lobotomy. I have driven over bridges, but that doesn't give me the right to tell engineers how to build one. I have a checking/savings account, but that doesn't give me the right or knowledge to tell accountants how to give audits.
And just because you've sat on the student's side of the desk doesn't give you any knowledge on what's it's like to sit on the teacher's side of the desk. That's as da*n foolish as the proverbial 5-yr old that says he can't stand the taste of peas, without ever having tasted them. Do not tell me what my job is (or especially, how to do it) until you've done it yourself. You don't know what we do after school or during the breaks.
What most of us teachers would like from society is not higher pay, or better benefits or larger retirements. Most of us would like for you people to stop your b*tching and extend us some frickin courtesy for doing a job that most of you would quit in the first month.
I understand what you are saying, but you don't seem to get where I am coming from. For most jobs that I am familiar with (jobs related to corporate work) you work 50 hours/week in the office, another 10 hours/week at home, get a few weeks vacation but only take 10 days off per year because you can't get away for longer than that. So when I see a job that gives two months off every year, that seems like paradise.
I am looking at this from a ease-of-living standpoint. Obviously there are stresses involved with teaching, but it is hardly a job that I would 'quit in the first month'. Have you ever had to fly across the country, be away from family/friends for weeks at a time while working 85 hour weeks? I didn't think so. So please continue. Please tell me how stressful it is to work only 50 hours/week while taking months off every year.
I understand what you are saying, but you don't seem to get where I am coming from. For most jobs that I am familiar with (jobs related to corporate work) you work 50 hours/week in the office, another 10 hours/week at home, get a few weeks vacation but only take 10 days off per year because you can't get away for longer than that. So when I see a job that gives two months off every year, that seems like paradise.
I am looking at this from a ease-of-living standpoint. Obviously there are stresses involved with teaching, but it is hardly a job that I would 'quit in the first month'. Have you ever had to fly across the country, be away from family/friends for weeks at a time while working 85 hour weeks? I didn't think so. So please continue. Please tell me how stressful it is to work only 50 hours/week while taking months off every year.
but teachers have it so much harder then us!
the point is- we all have difficult careers at times, sometimes we like them sometimes we cant stand them.
Teachers complain that we do not get their careers, convienently when they want more pay and benefits on the taxpayers dime with the backing of a massive union headed by a greedy union boss.
Sorry but teachers are not special, they are career driven citizens like the rest of us.
Teachers, police officers, firefighters, soldiers, nurses, childcare workers, and many others are not paid what they are worth. Unfortunately, our society values athletes and performers more than people who actually make a difference.
What you would think about a chemical engineer's career is based on pure ignorance.
You obviously have no clue what a chemical engineer is, while most of us know what a teachers job consists of there are many careers in society we have no clue about.
You are the typical teachers union sympathizer that makes most of us say "Oh poor teachers- they have it oh so hard!!!"
And to say chemical engineers have no direct hand in the continued growth of this country is so completely absurd ; Do you realize engineers are educated by teachers? Teachers teach things so people like engineers can go out and make the country better. you have completely discredited anything you ever post again.
You are a total ignoramous, brainwashed by some teachers union thug.
LOL at the black bold....ohhhhh, I am so scared of BoomBoom lol!
And from your post, you obviously don't know what a teachers job consists of. I am no sort of "teacher union" sympathizer lol. In many ways I don't support actual teacher unions, but I don't see the detriment of unions in general and I can see why teachers want to be unionized since so many, as is evidenced by your ignorant post, want to label them as some sort of enemy of the state. And FWIW all teachers are not a part of a teacher union.
And LOL again at your ignorance on the blue bolded area. I am quite sure you are ignorant in reading comprehension since the blue bold is EXACTLY what I said above - that teachers teach engineers, without them, engineers could not be who they are. I value engineering very much, just as I value teachers. I don't see either of them as less valuable than the other, but teachers do have a more direct hand in advances of our country. They teach children basic skills, the average teacher over the course of 20 years will touch the lives of thousands of students directly, which means they are there...in person with the children...in layman's terms - they more directly influence our society than an engineer because they do it everyday.
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How can you say we would quit in the first month when you just admitted you have no clue what we do?
It may be alot easier and more fulfilling then what we do and we may love it.
Here is the issue with telling us we do not know what teachers do- #1- we all went to school and we all saw what teachers do on a daily basis for the first 22+ years of our lives
#2- Many of us are parents with children in school- we interact with teachers either directly or indirectly on a daily basis- helping kids with homework- parent teacher conferences.
There is a much better chance that the public knows what teacher's career consists of then a teacher knowing what a private sector employee's career consists of. Its why many private sector employees go to teach later in life and not vice versa.
Can we all say we know basically what a Postal worker's job consists of- I think so.
LOL again you. The fact that you think that teacher's jobs only consist of classroom time, homework, and teacher's conferences is proof that you do not know everything that a teacher does. Many teachers perform more duties than classroom work, though it is a significant portion of their time, and probably the most enjoyable, they have to contend with many facets of their careers that you are not privy to knowing what transpires such as reporting, tracking, social services interventions, testing, government beaurocracy, faculty/staff meetings, and ongoing education/training that they must attend. Also just because school is out does not mean that teachers are not doing any of the above. Many teachers also coach sports/events as a part of their job, they are counselors to their students, especially in middle and high school years. There are a lot of things they deal with that you don't know about and that I don't know about because I am not a teacher. I work in the corporate world, which so many on here are saying is oh so much harder than teaching. I admit that my job can be stressful, but so is a teacher's job. I also admit that I do not work in a field that directly impacts society on a daily basis. Teacher's do, as do nurses, police officers, doctors, firefighters, paraprofessionals, therapists, social workers, and many many other professions.
Also, tell me what a postal worker does? I bet you think they just sort and deliver mail. Postal work has many facets as well depending on what one's job is with the agency.
Here is the issue with telling us we do not know what teachers do- #1- we all went to school and we all saw what teachers do on a daily basis for the first 22+ years of our lives
You saw what teachers did in the classroom. You saw the end product, that would be like me saying I know all about ovens because I cook every day. I may have a good idea what an oven consists of and generally I can recognize a good one compared to a bad one, but it doesn't mean I can be one, I will understand all the mechanics of how it works, or build one.
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#2- Many of us are parents with children in school- we interact with teachers either directly or indirectly on a daily basis- helping kids with homework- parent teacher conferences.
Helping a child with homework is not the same as teaching that child. If it is homework it should have already been taught and you are just reinforcing the learning. You are only having to work one-on-one with one child, and in all likelihood, a brighter than average child. You don't have to also work with kids that have limited academic skills or don't speak the language at the same time. How can you possibly have a clue what a teacher does based on a parent/teacher conference? That list of grades, assignments, and tests they hand you, that takes minutes to read, alone probably took that teacher a couple hours to just input the data. And that doesn't include the time it took the teacher to grade those things. A simple multiple choice assignment that takes 1 minute to grade will take a teacher with 120 students 2 hours to grade.
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There is a much better chance that the public knows what teacher's career consists of then a teacher knowing what a private sector employee's career consists of. Its why many private sector employees go to teach later in life and not vice versa.
No, teachers leave early in the career. Around 50% leave the profession in the first 5 years. They hate it so much they just choose to throw away their 4+ years of education and completely changes fields. Needless to say, they don't make it to retirement.
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wow...taking 3 months off every year? No teacher can complain about salaries if they actually take summers off. Isn't that just a little bit lazy?
no i dont think its lazy since its apart of how school works.. you can choose to spread your money over the 12 months or take your money in on 9 months.. but teaching is hard work now a days esp when you have crazy students who don't care to learn, fight alot and have no respect for authority... my mom is exhausted from teaching but she can't afford to retire.. but yes most (like 80%) teachers i know and all their friends don't work during the summer.
i would have became a teacher but with all the trouble , its not worth it to me esp since it doesn't pay alot unless your in a dangerous area( like 10 years ago my mom would get paid more if she taught in the ghetto but your also more likely to be stabbed so there's that) or bigger city... now being a college professor i think thats totally worth it because not only do they get paid more, less you have to deal with (as far as authority) and you get the longest holidays and summers.
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