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Old 02-25-2011, 12:53 AM
 
Location: The Sunflower State
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No worries. And we've discussed the issue you posted. The bill has an accountability clause. Any such transaction must be in the State of Wisconsin's best interest.
Thank you Informed. I will look for the previous discussion.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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What we are witnessing in Wisconsin and Ohio is a classic divide and conquer strategy by very powerful wealthy interests who wish to destroy our country’s unions and advance corporatism. These interests have convinced certain groups of people that public employees created the severe fiscal problems underlying many states budgets and that those workers should not only receive reduced pay and pay more into their pension retirement fund, but also lose their collective bargaining rights in the process.

Koch Brothers Agenda: Turning Americans Against Americans « Path To Well-Being
You are correct...the same ploy works by blaming gay folks for the country's problems....and while we fight amongst ourselves they are laughing at how easily people are manipulated.

All the while we are returning to an Oligarchy or feudal type system where we have a few rich folks(Kings) running the show and "us" peasants and serfs are left to fight over the "crumbs"!.

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Old 02-25-2011, 01:06 AM
 
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No, turning American against Americans is the goal of Obama, his puppeteer George Soros, and Communist big labor leader Richard Trumpka. They are the ones constantly beating the drum of class warfare. The public employees unions are sucking the taxpayers in municipalities dry with their bloated pensions.
Exactly what I was thinking! This administration is already doing and done that!
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What we are witnessing in Wisconsin and Ohio is a classic divide and conquer strategy by very powerful wealthy interests who wish to destroy our country’s unions and advance corporatism.
Or much more likely, we're witnessing the last ditch efforts of desperate public employee unions trying to squeeze more money out of completely tapped out taxpayers.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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Or much more likely, we're witnessing the last ditch efforts of desperate public employee unions trying to squeeze more money out of completely tapped out taxpayers.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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They have to make it about something other than what it really is.
The story of a selfish union and it's entitled membership bending over the taxpayers doesn't play too well on main street.
That.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:44 AM
 
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Hmmm, I must have missed the part where when you join a public employee's union you no longer pay taxes.
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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I don't know a word that means the exact opposite of environmentalist -- but then we didn't really need one until the Kochs came along. Greenpeace put out a shocking report focused on how Koch Industries and its owners fund the climate-denial machine, but it also gives some insight into why the Kochs are also going after all environmental safeguards as well as the Environmental Protection Agency.

Koch Industries has a long history of multi-million dollar fines from the EPA and Justice Department for everything from oil spills to dumping toxic chemicals. Even the Bush administration fined them for covering up the illegal dumping of 91 tons of carcinogenic benzene--though John ******** got potential fines of $350 million knocked down to a $20 million slap on the wrist for falsifying documents.

What makes the Koch Brothers particularly scary, though, is not that they reflexively oppose any change that might hurt their own bottom line. That doesn't make them all that different from Massey Energy or Chevron or lots of other big polluters (Koch Industries was ranked in the top ten of air polluters in the U.S. by a University of Massachusetts study). What's different about the Kochs is that they subscribe to a radical libertarian philosophy that opposes any governmental safeguards to protect people or the environment. It's a grim vision of our country that few Americans would ever subscribe to if they could see it plainly, and yet -- thanks to the brothers' enormous wealth -- it's had an out-sized effect on both our government and our public discourse. It's like a hidden riptide that keeps pulling you out to sea no matter how hard you strike toward the shore.


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Old 02-25-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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Clearly you refuse to admit that Richard Trumpka is stirring the pot of bottom-up revolution throughout this country and with unions in the Middle East. Why does Richard Trumpka have such a direct line to this POTUS with calls to him every day?

The agenda of Soros is clear and he has plenty of useful idiots banging the drums of revolution.
Why did Governor Scott Walker IMMEDIATELY take a call from a person that stated his name was David Koch? IMMEDIATELY!

It would seem you hold people to different standards merely based on their poltiical beliefs.

That's very hypocritical of you!

As Ronald Reagan used to say "There you go again!"
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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I think it's all the fault of many cronyists, and they aren't in elected office. They're the financiers of strife corrupting government. Ergo Koch bros Murdoch et al. If they had any plan that was decent to present America they would have done so by now. They are pitting Americans against Americans and laughing all the way to the bank.

Response to fear mongering- I like this one... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MuWNJtJ8XS...thing_full.jpg
I think we stand a better chance having Americans being aware of their surroundings than expecting others to be our watchdogs at all times all places. Do I think Americans know what to look for regarding suspicious activity? Not many. How to solve that?
You forgot the unions in the cronyism department who were not elected and are financiers of strife corrupting government.
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