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As long as America is gung-ho on regression lets take America back to the beloved Middle Ages, the era of nobles and serfs.
I agree with the Right, the American worker shouldn't have any rights, because all power should be held by the nobility.
Public union employees are a privileged special pampered class of workers; they're not mainstream American workers at all. The unions are making the mistake of conflating the two at their own peril. Read my post here: http://www.city-data.com/forum/17999800-post13.html
The unions were a positive thing 80 years ago. It's true, they helped reformed working conditions. However, now it's swung the other way and they need to be reformed or abandoned. Instead of being the victims of strike breakers and poor working conditions the Unions have become the thugs, and now do exactly what they were designed to fight against. They've become the money machine for democrats. Why should labor bosses who represent just 10% of the working population control the nations political direction?
Unions have become a big part of the problem rather than a fix.
I disagree.
There has been some corruption in some unions.
US people are losing their benefits, work more hours, make less money as the influence of unions dwindles.
Don't whine about working 60 hour weeks, having no health benefits and have bad working conditions.
It's what you're asking for.
Actually, I made my point pretty clearly. I'm not a liberal, I'm a small business owner, and I'm a former R, but I don't even recognize the republican party I grew up in these days.
That's a contradiction. If you don't recognize the republican party what a better way to get it back then to admonish it. How about becoming a better Republican and demanding it returns to its core beliefs.
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You can't quote FDR on one issue, and then tear apart every other program he implemented or proposed.
That's like saying either he was right about everything or wrong about everything. It's absurd to not be able to agree with some things and disagree with others.
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I agree that public workers shouldn't have the right to strike, and they don't in the vast majority of states--differences are handled through mediation or arbitration instead.
They are striking against the people who pay them. They are trying to preserve their (right?) ability to take back anything they've conceded. It's a hollow gesture to say they are agreeing to everything they voted for. We all know this isn't the case.
I am a small business owner as well and I've hated all political parties since the mid 90s. It's become an institution to steal from the public rather than serve it. Now we have people in an uproar because their status-quo is in jeopardy.
You may hate the Republican party (with good reason), but you can't support socialism, communism or Marxism as a solution. These uprisings are exactly what those groups have hoped for and are pushing hard for them. Why is that?
Socialists want to collapse the system under the unsustainable weight of fiscal irresponsibility (a social welfare state), and they'll try to crush anyone who gets in their way. Walker is in their way. I'd back Obama if he wasn't in bed with them, but he is. Lambs to slaughter are we.
All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives
Maybe some of those teacher types should study History a bit better...
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Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees
That's a contridiction. If you don't recognize the republican party what a better way to get it back then to admonish it. How about becoming a better Republican and demanding it return to its core beliefs.
That's like saying either he was right about everything or wrong about everything. It's absurd to not be able to agree with some things and disagree with others.
They are striking against the people who pay them. They are trying to preserve their (right?) ability to take back anything they've conceded. It's a hollow gesture to say they are agreeing to everything they voted for. We all know this isn't the case.
I am a small business owner as well and I've hated all political parties since the mid 90s. It's become an institution to steal from the public rather han serve it. Now we have people in an uproar because their status-quo is in jeopardy.
You may hate the Republican party (with good reason), but you can't support socialism, communism or marxism as a solution. These uprisings are exactly what those groups have hoped for and are pushing hard for them. Why is that?
Scoialists want to collapse the system under the unsustainable weight of fiscal irresponsibilty, and they hate anyone getting in their way. Walker is in their way. I'd back Obama if he wasn't in bed with them, but he is. Lambs to slaughter are we.
Wow, you really have to be living in an alternate reality to buy into this kind of nonsense.
A bunch of people want to maintain their ability to collective bargain, and that's equated to a socialist overthrow of the government.
Meanwhlie bankers, derivatives traders and hedge fund managers just bankrupted the country, right under your nose. If the leadership of the Republican Party cared about anything other than appealing to their real "base" (wall st, banks, oil companies, ie the people who ripped everyone off), they'd be pushing legislation to indict hedge fund managers and bank executives on racketeering charges.
Instead, they take a crisis and use it as an excuse to attack their rival political parties main support group, unions. And you buy it, hook line and sinker. Destroying Wisconsin's teachers union is not going to help the American middle class one..little..bit, but talk radio has half of the country foaming at the mouth about how bad a friggin High School Social Studies teacher is robbing them.
Silly people being led to the slaughter indeed, the problem is that it's the people they view as heros who are leading them there..laughing at them the whole way for being so stupid and naive.
Meanwhlie bankers, derivatives traders and hedge fund managers just bankrupted the country, right under your nose.
And that has anything to do with trying to stop public employee unions from making crushing demands on the taxpayers who pay for them, how?
Your, "oh, look over there" deflection won't work. Public employee unions screw the taxpayersthat are forced to pay for their salaries and benefits, and more and more people are on to the scam.
Wow, you really have to be living in an alternate reality to buy into this kind of nonsense.
The editor of socialist worker
Would you like 10 or 15 more examples? And you claim I'm the one who's deluded? You are the one in denial.
How much would you like to bet that the people holding these signs were just one month ago screaming about the hate rhetoric of the right after the AZ shooting! I guarantee they were.
Yes, just a bunch of teachers who care about our kids. Teachers or mob? Looks like a mob to me.
Who do you think brought you the weekend, health benefits, safety regulations and safe work conditions?
The Union, that's who.
at one time PRIVATE sector unions had their place, and FDR encouraged PRIVATE sector unions. however FDR did NOT want public sector uninos because of the very thing that is going on in WI, and other states, right now. besides that, there is absolutely NO need for public sector unions since civil service laws cover government employees quite nicely thank you.
Who do you think brought you the weekend, health benefits, safety regulations and safe work conditions?
The Union, that's who.
And who brought you Botox and Face Lifts???
Teachers Spent $9M On Cosmetic Surgery in 2009 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/new_york_state/NY-TeachersCosmetic-Surgery-20101028-apx - broken link)
I disagree.
There has been some corruption in some unions.
US people are losing their benefits, work more hours, make less money as the influence of unions dwindles.
Don't whine about working 60 hour weeks, having no health benefits and have bad working conditions.
It's what you're asking for.
PURE PROPAGANDA! Let's see, there are fair labor practices laws, HC can be purchased by ANYONE and we have OSHA to ensure safe workplaces. Any more misinformation you want to spread?
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