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Old 02-24-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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They are a conflict of interest as their employer is the American taxpayer. They can't strike without hurting the Americans who pay their salaries. Private unionization Im in full support of. Private industry jobs are far riskier with less benefits in general than government jobs, thus the added protections are warranted. Flame away!
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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They are a conflict of interest as their employer is the American taxpayer. They can't strike without hurting the Americans who pay their salaries. Private unionization Im in full support of. Private industry jobs are far riskier with less benefits in general than government jobs, thus the added protections are warranted. Flame away!
All unions are cancers. Originally they did serve a purpose but they turned into parasites. Its funny though, people get all anti-corporate america because of there greed and money but they never think about the union leaders make like 300-400K a year. People go on strike but there wallets just keep getting fatter.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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They are a conflict of interest as their employer is the American taxpayer. They can't strike without hurting the Americans who pay their salaries. Private unionization Im in full support of. Private industry jobs are far riskier with less benefits in general than government jobs, thus the added protections are warranted. Flame away!
It is nice that people have a right to an opinion.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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It is nice that people have a right to an opinion.
Just like public employees will very soon, the choice to enter or not enter into a union.

God bless America!
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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They are a conflict of interest as their employer is the American taxpayer. They can't strike without hurting the Americans who pay their salaries. Private unionization Im in full support of. Private industry jobs are far riskier with less benefits in general than government jobs, thus the added protections are warranted. Flame away!
The problem with public unions is this.

If a private company works with a union, and over exerts themselves, then they go out of business (well, you're supposed to). Therefore its a free market system.

In the public sector thats different. The government (local/state/federal) can simply raise taxes to meet the demands. Thus, there is no loss by not meeting the demands.

But I understand the unions point. No one has to agree to union demands, and I blame the lawmakers who agreed to the outrageous demands that have been meet, not necessarily the union.

Hell I ask people for a million dollars all the time. No one has agreed to that, yet...
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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Just like public employees will very soon, the choice to enter or not enter into a union.

God bless America!



Unions are absoleutly necessary in this country. In a perfect world they would not be required. But companies are not ethical, and people that run most companies are morally corrupt and workers rights must be protected. If you dont have unions, working conditions like Walmart would be more commonplace. Pensions should not exist as imo it is unconstitutional to ask a private industry taxpayer to fund his own retirement and that of somebody else as well. Instead I recommend a generous 401k match courtesy of the US taxpayer which will be far more fair, and less costly. The governement worker must fund his own retirement via 401k.. In doing so courtesy of US taxpayer a 75% match on funds deposited will be made. This match is more generous than any private sector 401k match, and will be one big step to insuring solvency over the long haul. If you want to be in a union get a job in the private sector.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Unions are absoleutly necessary in this country. In a perfect world they would not be required. But companies are not ethical, and people that run most companies are morally corrupt and workers rights must be protected. If you dont have unions, working conditions like Walmart would be more commonplace. Pensions should not exist as imo it is unconstitutional to ask a private industry taxpayer to fund his own retirement and that of somebody else as well. Instead I recommend a generous 401k match courtesy of the US taxpayer which will be far more fair, and less costly. The governement worker must fund his own retirement via 401k.. In doing so courtesy of US taxpayer a 75% match on funds deposited will be made. This match is more generous than any private sector 401k match, and will be one big step to insuring solvency over the long haul. If you want to be in a union get a job in the private sector.
But we've passed labor laws that put into place federal and state protection against some of the things that unions had to fight for.

I'm not against unions, but I am against the fact that they hardly, if ever let anything go. A company has to face complete failure before they start making concessions.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Union membership should be 1000% VOLUNTARY. Absolutely NO ONE should be compelled to have to join a union in order to work / have a job. NO ONE
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Union membership should be 1000% VOLUNTARY. Absolutely NO ONE should be compelled to have to join a union in order to work / have a job. NO ONE
That's fine with me as long as they don't get a union negotiated wage and benefits or the union is no longer required to represent them in any grievance proceeding.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Union membership should be 1000% VOLUNTARY. Absolutely NO ONE should be compelled to have to join a union in order to work / have a job. NO ONE
You don't have to. If you don't want to work in a union shop, find another job. If you can't find one where you are at, move.

Freedom.
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