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Old 04-09-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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If what you say here is true, you are a perfect example of the poor that support the wrong party because you blindly believe that they represent "freedom" and the American way of life. I believed their lies for years and voted against my own best interest.

FYI, I don't want anything from the government, either.

But, we all need government that protects it's citizens from the greed of big business. We have seen what having a government that represents business interests over the interests of the American public brings ... unemployment, foreclosed houses, individuals and businesses who are unable to afford health insurance premiums and a new class of working poor Americans that were once the middle class.

Planning and negotiation as a truck unloader...??? Your way of looking at life is extremely simple. Do you own a home?

Free market, self-reliance guy, I wish you luck.
do not insult my intelligence. yes i am proud of my job. yes i negotiate with my employers as to what kind of benefits i am provided. and i Am Happy with what i have. yes i own a home, not that that is any of your concern. i don't believe in "classes". we should all pay taxes at the same flat rate. i dont want the government to do anything but to stayout of the way. guess what? i own stocks in corporations, and i want those companies to do well. I do not hate corporations..i work for one....you people that keep trying to knock corporations, guess what? i've never seen a poor person hire someone. so stop punishing corporations, as this socialist President is trying to do. Tea-party baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Profits before people! This is the essence of capitalism!
thats how it should be..thats how i am
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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The whole idea of people not wanting healthcare is starting an argument from a false premise.

Right now, I am resting from cutting firewood, in my living room, typing on a computer, and in no need of medical attention.

Right now, I do not want healthcare. Right now, the money I am spending on my health insurance isn't worth anything to me.

But, after I go back outside, and start sawing again, lets say I have an accident. I get a kickback, and the saw cuts my arm a little. Suddenly I want healthcare.

This is the whole argument of healthcare. Everyone wants healthcare, when they need it. No one wants to pay for it, when they don't. But healthcare costs are so high that you can't pay for it with cash, well most of us anyway.

I'm sure most of you, like me, don't have an extra 200,000 dollars lying around to pay for a three day hospital stay.

I don't like taxes, I don't like government services that don't service every person directly in someway, shape, form, or fashion, and I don't like having to pay for government waste. That said, I feel there should be one, universal healthcare system that is paid for, by taxation, for each and every person in the country. Some will always pay more than others, you make more, you pay more in taxes, this is just the way of the world.

But I don't think that free government care should come without limitation. We shouldn't be paying for abortions that aren't life threatening, or caused by rape. We shouldn't be paying so your kid can have their acne taken care of. We shouldn't be paying so that your carpul tunnel is taken care of. Restless leg syndrome? Sorry, its not life threatening.

But if you fall and break your leg, get cancer, bump your head on the bottom of the ocean when swimming and you need medical attention, that should be taken care of for you, no problems.

If you want the extra healthcare that isn't life threatening, then you can get supplemental insurance. Ask a senior about it, I'm sure they know all about supplementing for the things that medicare doesn't pay for.

Relieve the burden from employers, make sure that no one has to worry about their life being in danger because they can't afford a copay or a hospital stay, but make sure everyone knows that your free care does come at a predefined limit.
hell no this is socialism. i dont want to pay for your care and you don't have to pay for mine. if you choose to buy private insurance thats your thing, or you can choose not too. This isn't Stalin's Russia and don't try to make it that way
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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I feel the exact same way about health insurance. There should be that safety net for everyone to get the absolute necessities taken care of. If you want the extras, as you so eloquently listed, you can save up and pay cash for it or you can take out a supplemental private insurance. My friends in Australia do this for when they don't want to solely rely on the national healthcare.
there shouldnt be any national anything..this violates states rights as does Medicare and SS. all of this should be privatized..im tired of paying for this idiotic social welfare state..it should be every man for themselves.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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that is health insurance...not health care. insurance is a product that you can buy or not if you choose. Anyone can go to any hospital and won't be refused.
It is absolutely, 100%, not that simple or cut and dry. Got cancer? An emergency room will be of little good.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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It is absolutely, 100%, not that simple or cut and dry. Got cancer? An emergency room will be of little good.
ok, true..no self respecting doctor would ever refuse a cancer patient treatment...theyll get treated..Then theyll just have to pay As Much As they can Each Week for the rest of their lives..i mean honestly if people didnt bother to buy health insurance thats their fault.....maybe they thought they wouldnt need it Then expect me to pay When suddenly they need it. They should have bought it in the first place...come on even freaking walmart target and mcdonalds give at least some coverage....people can get it if they want..they just want free things
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Republicans against healthcare reform especially, do you buy it or do you think he is lying and the health care companies are doing a good job for our population regarding our health, being truthful? Or do you care either way?

Do you think the government would do an even worse job? Why? Why do you trust big business to look after you?
They aren't against common sense health care reform, to lower costs and make it more equatable, they just oppose the notion that the federal government should take it over.

If Wendell can isolate the flaws in the current regulations, then it seems fairly easy to fix them, it surely is not a reason for authorizing the HHS secretary to take over the nation's entire health care system.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: FL
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ok, true..no self respecting doctor would ever refuse a cancer patient treatment...theyll get treated..Then theyll just have to pay As Much As they can Each Week for the rest of their lives..i mean honestly if people didnt bother to buy health insurance thats their fault.....maybe they thought they wouldnt need it Then expect me to pay When suddenly they need it. They should have bought it in the first place...come on even freaking walmart target and mcdonalds give at least some coverage....people can get it if they want..they just want free things
Don't know where you go but where I live you don't have the money you don't get to see the doctor.

As far as purchasing health insurance sometimes you have to decide on if you should feed your family or purchased health insurance. Sorry but putting food on the table usually wins.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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ok, true..no self respecting doctor would ever refuse a cancer patient treatment...theyll get treated..Then theyll just have to pay As Much As they can Each Week for the rest of their lives..i mean honestly if people didnt bother to buy health insurance thats their fault.....maybe they thought they wouldnt need it Then expect me to pay When suddenly they need it. They should have bought it in the first place...come on even freaking walmart target and mcdonalds give at least some coverage....people can get it if they want..they just want free things
What Donna said. You want doctors to give free care? Privately purchased health insurance is expensive.
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Old 04-12-2011, 03:27 AM
 
Location: USA
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I'm generally in favor of it, but it can't work in the US like it does Denmark for example.

We are too overpopulated, only China and India have higher populations than we do. It should not be offered to illegal non-citizens.

We are the most unhealthy people on earth. Too many Americans are obese, are smokers, are alcoholics & drug users, etc.

It might possibly work if anyone in the above categories were denied coverage. Those are not pre-existing conditions, but rather lifestyle choices. Unfortunately, people aren't going to give up their McDonald's 5 days a week, their cigs and beer, or their crystal meth.
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