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Old 02-27-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No--I'm just ignoring you, because you say the same things over and over again in a rant.
You're ignoring me because I'm speaking the truth, and it exposes the logic failure of your agenda.

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Try middle and working class voters--again--you don't seem to get it. Not every union supporter is a "liberal."
Um... it's those very same middle and working class voters who are fed up with union-stoked sky high property tax bills.

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And on the tax thing--show me the legislation in Wisconsin to raise taxes?
Where do you think the money comes from to pay for collectively bargained public employee salary increases and benefits costs increases? Yep - property and other tax increases.

Or did you think the money to pay for it just falls from the sky?


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The employees have been willing to take the cuts the governor requested to meet the budget crisis, but he's refusing to take out the part of the legislation that eliminates bargaining for non-monetary items.
Again, list the non-monetary items and prove that they don't affect the state or local budgets.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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Backlash? What backlash? Taxpayers will be relieved when it goes through. Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
Those beliefs ^^^ could be just in your dreams. You may be deceiving yourself about the facts.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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Those beliefs ^^^ could be just in your dreams. You may be deceiving yourself about the facts.
Dreams? No.

Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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Dreams? No.

Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
you're "trying" too hard. looks desperate....not objective.

"Fed up taxpayers"? Do you have a poll that speaks specificially to "fed up taxpayers"? I think that unfortunately you have gotten yourself out on a limb with the Republicans, whose strategy to destory unions is failing. Time will tell which of us is correct.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Makes me glad Texas is a Right To Work state.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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"Fed up taxpayers"? Do you have a poll that speaks specificially to "fed up taxpayers"?
Yep. Gallup. 71% of Americans do not want to pay any more of any kind of tax.

Answer the question... Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Tallahassee
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Yep. Gallup. 71% of Americans do not want to pay any more of any kind of tax.

Answer the question... Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
"Americans" who "do not want to pay any more of any kind of tax"........is different from "Fed up taxpayers"...........so I don't know the answer to your specific question. I think your Republican agenda of union busting is going to fail. Walker is getting further out on that limb by himself.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Yep. Gallup. 71% of Americans do not want to pay any more of any kind of tax.

Answer the question... Who are there more of? Public union members? Or fed up taxpayers?
Now there's some stunning info, people don't like to pay taxes! Who knew?
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yes they do. People don't seem to get it--not all republicans are opposed to unions. It's just the far right end of the party, and if the R party wanted to pick the one issue that would tear it apart, this might be it.
wrong most of the republicans/conservatives/constitutionalists are in favor of unions for PRIVATE companies...just not pubblic service

it union thievery

PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions

the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want to be a member or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job, you will be union or you can go find something else

that is union crime

there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions

becaue PUBLIC unions are not supposed to have barganing...period

National Labor Relations Act ("Wagner Act"),Congress enacted the landmark Act in 1935 - the Magna Carta of the American labor movement. It excluded federal, state and local employees. It created the National Labor Relations Board to enforce the rights of labor.

even FDR said so

"""Meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the government. All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations ... The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for ... officials ... to bind the employer ... The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives ...

"Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of government employees. Upon employees in the federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people ... This obligation is paramount ... A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent ... to prevent or obstruct ... Government ... Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government ... is unthinkable and intolerable."""...FDR 1937

and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a Democratic bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process......

even look at your local school budget vote...it has NOTHING to due with the PAY/benefits of the teachers..you vote on 1/10th of the entire budget.....





this is why the liberals and the unions are protesting

“Without the mandatory dues from public employee unions, the democrat party is toast. Once this ball is rolling and taxpayers realize how the scam of public unions work, this wave will be unstoppable. Wi. dems better keep running.”
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Old 02-27-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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There was about 60-70 union sheep that showed up in my state capital. They stayed for about 40 minutes.
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