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Old 03-17-2011, 02:35 PM
 
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Did you not say:


Nice backtracking, though.
The womens movement has a long an rich history in this country with tremendous success in areas of voting rights, birth control, job opportunities....the list goes on and on.

The sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's created a lot of unwed mothers and in the 80's there was a coordinated push to not only remove the stigma put to push an entire "girl power dad's aren't needed" philosophy. Not to put the blame solely on that, certainly the primary culprit is the deadbeat dad.

You and I both know that if you go through the backgrounds of this pack of lowlife child rapists you are going to see very very few with a dad in the picture.

So yes, this small portion in the history of the womens movement was ill-conceived. (ever heard of Murphy Brown? The character playing her now openly admits they were sending a bad message.) No organization is 100% right about everything.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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I think I understand what you're saying, Mathguy, but men have been raping women throughout human history; long before the inception of the nuclear family or the destruction of it some communities.
I hear your points.

While there will always be rape, it doesn't change the fact that certain social, cultural etc. factors can increase the frequency that such crimes occur.

It's like DUI fatalities, there will always be some. However, through education, laws etc. we can reduce them.
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Old 03-17-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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I hear your points.

While there will always be rape, it doesn't change the fact that certain social, cultural etc. factors can increase the frequency that such crimes occur.

It's like DUI fatalities, there will always be some. However, through education, laws etc. we can reduce them.
Well, the reality is that women's civil rights prevents more rapes than it causes within cultures/societies. It's a matter of civility and women's rights goes hand in hand with civility. Just consider civilized nations. OTOH, you will find that the poor treatment of women is correlated with decreased freedoms, rights, etc (sexual or not).
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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The nazi's are a lousy example. They were a political vehicle for a meglomaniac. These are simply human beings badly raised and without supervision.

When was the last time you ever heard of the amish gangraping children? They are the perfect antithesis of our young men here. The amish come from intact families, have a set of clearly defined cultural norms, are closely supervised, and have nothing to do with today's drug culture.

We don't know anything about these rapists but a quarter will get you a dollar they are; from broken homes, have no father figure at home, are dropouts, have little to no supervision, are engaged in drug and alcohol abuse.

It's a matter of culture. Some children in american are lucky enough to belong to a functioning culture while others........do not.
Gotcha!
http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/john-kenneth-freeman.jpg?w=350&h=250 (broken link)

Alleged American child rapist arrested in Hong Kong
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Alleged child rapist John Kenneth Freeman, a former Washington State Sheriff’s Deputy, was arrested and jailed in Hong Kong on Wednesday. Freeman is wanted for mulitiple counts of child rape and for videotaping and photographing these assaults. In plain English, he raped his daughter several times and then posted video and pictures of it online. What a scumbag. He was arrested orginally on the charges and posted $50,000 bail and then fled. His daughter, Kylie, is now a teenager and an advocate against child sexual abuse, who has spoken out against her father. It was with her help that investigators and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children pieced her story together, along with evidence of the videos online that had appeared of this child rape.


http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2011/03/10/rice.jpg
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David Wayne Rice, 21, (left) is accused of not registering as a sex offender as his child rape and child molestation convictions require.

Rice recently registered as a transient; the sheriff's office announced that registration last week without knowing of the $50,000 warrant, Sgt. Dave Reagan said. Rice, a level 3 sex offender, was convicted in Grant County in 2005. He also has a previous conviction for failure to register.
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A convicted sex offender accused of child rape is due in court this afternoon after being arrested over the weekend.

Glenn E. Sapp, 51, was booked into the Spokane County Jail Saturday at 4:26 p.m. He was arrested at a home on North Molter Road in Otis Orchards.

Authorities notified the public of Sapp's fugitive status on Friday after sheriff's detectives couldn't locate him.

Law enforcement began investigating Sapp Feb 9 after a man who bought a computer from Sapp said he found images and videos showing the sex offender sexually abusing a young girl.
http://multimedia.heraldinteractive....de11132007.jpg

Group vows to keep child predators in jail longer (http://www.masscops.com/f79/group-vows-keep-child-predators-jail-longer-41318/ - broken link)

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Christopher Lemonde, 24: Convicted in January 2004 of four counts of rape of a child with force and one count other abuse count. Now living in Milford.

A group of state lawmakers today will launch a renewed campaign to strengthen sex offender laws that currently allow convicted child rapists to be released after spending only a few years behind bars.
“We need to keep these predators off the streets,” said child protection advocate Laurie Myers.
Myers will join lawmakers at a State House rally today to push for mandatory minimum sentences that would dramatically increase penalties for child rape, child pornography and other offenses.
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Joshua Malick, 22: Convicted in May 2005 of three counts of rape and abuse of a child, now living in Worcester

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Old 03-17-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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The womens movement has a long an rich history in this country with tremendous success in areas of voting rights, birth control, job opportunities....the list goes on and on.

The sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's created a lot of unwed mothers and in the 80's there was a coordinated push to not only remove the stigma put to push an entire "girl power dad's aren't needed" philosophy. Not to put the blame solely on that, certainly the primary culprit is the deadbeat dad.

You and I both know that if you go through the backgrounds of this pack of lowlife child rapists you are going to see very very few with a dad in the picture.

So yes, this small portion in the history of the womens movement was ill-conceived. (ever heard of Murphy Brown? The character playing her now openly admits they were sending a bad message.) No organization is 100% right about everything.
No on cares what an ex-model/actress thinks. There are very competent single parents and there are very incompetent dual parents. I know it is harder to go it alone and be the strict one which is why many focus on being a "friend" which is NOT what kids need but a solo parent CAN raise a wonderful person if they start at a young age. Even 8-10yrs is too late really. Even now, you see these parents defendng their sons atrocious behavior and actions which still sends the wrong message of not needng to be responsible or accountable for their actions. Problem is, whatever parental situation these men had, they obviously were not taught to RESPECT other people but in particular WOMEN.
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Old 03-17-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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White guys being rapists/molesters is a lie.
Percentage wise black men rape and molest much more than whites.
Oh really?

Rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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United States
Main article: Rape in the United States

U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (1999) estimated that 91% of rape victims are female and 9% are male, with 99% of the offenders being male.[3] Some types of rape are excluded from official reports altogether, (the FBI's definition for example excludes all rapes except forcible rapes of females), because a significant number of rapes go unreported even when they are included as reportable rapes, and also because a significant number of rapes reported to the police do not advance to prosecution.[32] According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005.[33] Only 16% of rapes and sexual assaults are reported to the police (Rape in America: A Report to the Nation. 1992 and United Nations Populations Fund, 2000a).[34][35] Factoring in unreported rapes, about 5% of rapists will ever spend a day in jail.[36] 1 of 6 U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.[37] More than a quarter of college age women report having experienced a rape or rape attempt since age 14.[38]

The U.S. Department of Justice compiles statistics on crime by race, but only between and among people categorized as black or white. It should be noted that the "white" category in the Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) includes non-black Hispanics.[39] There were 194,270 white and 17,920 black victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2006. Out of the 194,270 cases involving white victims, 50.6% had white offenders and 16.7% had black offenders, while the 36,620 black victims had a figure of 43% black offenders, the remaining being of other or unreported race, with a negligible number of white offenders.[40] Gary LaFree's rape data for the 45-year period revealed that blacks were arrested for rape an average of 6.52 times more often than whites.[39]
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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Well, the reality is that women's civil rights prevents more rapes than it causes within cultures/societies. It's a matter of civility and women's rights goes hand in hand with civility. Just consider civilized nations. OTOH, you will find that the poor treatment of women is correlated with decreased freedoms, rights, etc (sexual or not).
I 100% agree. This is why I made sure to praise thier actions and them comment on a single area I felt they made a mis-step. Frankly, it was probably political backlash more than anything which is unfortunate.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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No on cares what an ex-model/actress thinks. There are very competent single parents and there are very incompetent dual parents. I know it is harder to go it alone and be the strict one which is why many focus on being a "friend" which is NOT what kids need but a solo parent CAN raise a wonderful person if they start at a young age. Even 8-10yrs is too late really. Even now, you see these parents defendng their sons atrocious behavior and actions which still sends the wrong message of not needng to be responsible or accountable for their actions. Problem is, whatever parental situation these men had, they obviously were not taught to RESPECT other people but in particular WOMEN.
Agreed. Google "murphy brown vs. Dan Quayle", quayle at the time a VP was considered dumb and Candice Bergan was pretty well respected. It was an intersting social commentary at the time.

Around this time my buddies sister and about 2-3 of her friends decided to have kids and the father wasn't needed. It was almost like a fad, like getting the dog that fits in your purse.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:22 PM
 
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Oh lord.
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Old 03-17-2011, 08:23 PM
 
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I 100% agree. This is why I made sure to praise thier actions and them comment on a single area I felt they made a mis-step. Frankly, it was probably political backlash more than anything which is unfortunate.
IRT single moms- I guess, in a way, it's not surprising. Society might have shamed a man for leaving his brood back in the day if a woman couldn't finacially support the household. Since she now can (sort of) it's less of an issue. Although, that's kind of depressing on its own.
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