One down, two to go (revolution, speech, Denver, cost)

[TempesT68]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

no, you're definitely not alone in saying that.

Same here.

[robbobobbo]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

this isnt pro-worker..its pro union coruption

it union thievery

PUBLIC unions should not have barganing power...private unions sure..but not PUBLIC unions

the unions make it MADITORY to be a member of the union whether the worker want to be a member or not
the union makes it maditory to pay dues, even if you dont want to be a union member..you want the job, you will be union or you can go find something else

that is union crime

there should not be anytype of barganing for PUBLIC unions...private unions sure..but not publc unions

So if bargaining power leads to corruption and thievery, if mandatory union membership or payment of dues is "union crime"... this is fine by you, if we're discussing private unions?

If not, please explain how bargaining power leads to corruption only in public unions, and why mandatory union membership or dues payment is "union crime" only in public unions.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by robbobobbo

So if bargaining power leads to corruption and thievery, if mandatory union membership or payment of dues is "union crime"... this is fine by you, if we're discussing private unions?

If not, please explain how bargaining power leads to corruption only in public unions, and why mandatory union membership or dues payment is "union crime" only in public unions.

good questions, but pointed the wrong way

I did not say it was good or bad in private shops

but in private industry, a person can say no.... a shop doesnt HAVE to be union.... and unions can help to CONTROL the PRIVATE booses/ceo's

in PUBLIC employees they are not working for a PRIVATE company, or a PRIVATE boss..they are working for the PUBLIC TAXPAYER

you can see the differnece

when I say sure why not to private unions, its because they PEOPLE have that right against a PRIVATE boss/ceo.....in PUBLIC unions, they work for the taxpayer, and UNLESS the taxpayer can VOTE (a simple ballot/proposition) at ELECTION time, or pay is SET by congress, then unions should have no say at barganing for what is taxpayer monies

that so called barganing is why you have garbagemen collecting $40-50/hr....do you REALLY think the taxpayer can keep up with THOSE costs

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

but you still cant refute the facts

what is a PUBLIC union going to do

is it going to make a shop safer....no that is OSHA
is it going to make a shop more enviremental...no thats the EPA

nope it all comes down to MONEY, and greed

al a public union can do is DEMAND that the taxpayer give them more days off, ata higher pay, even though the TAXPAYER is recieveing lower services and themselves lower pay


and the taxpayer isnt even at the barganing table.....

as I said...... "and you want to know WHY it is a problem to have 'collective barganing' in the PUBLIC SECTOR............The problem is there is no REAL "collective bargaining." ......Public sector unions are a client of a political bureaucracy that wants their vote. The taxpayer - the "employer" - isn't a player in the bargaining process"



why not have the state/locals be like the FEDERAL government...there is no BARGANING with the union...your pay is SET by congress (or in this case the local/state legistature).......even obama agrees with this..after all he is the one that just froze government workers pay for the next 2 years

that is the point that the politicos here on CD dont seen to get

yes to PRIVATE unions (ie Ge, GM, microsoft, etc)............no to PUBLIC unions (ie cops, teachers, park rangers, garbage specialists, etc)

Here is a quote from the education forum, where this is also being discussed:

The truth as I see it:
1. The average teacher salary is about 54,000 (Digest of Education Statistics, 2009 - Introduction) as of 2009
2. Students go to school 180 days, teachers work many days when students aren't there
3. Paid health benefits have been cut, retirement is most likely next (over all we do receive very good benefits in this area IMO)
4. Unions have improved our working conditions greatly (duty-free 30 minute lunches, not required to clean the classes, paid planning time, compensation for extra duties, due process) many of these are not unreasonable
5. Again many teachers leave for the private sector (see above) and don't return to this job. Why?

I think #4 is a big issue. "Back in the Day" many teachers had to eat lunch with the students, and even help the students at lunch time; clean rooms, plan on their own time, attend P/T conferences, concerts, etc on their own time, and not receive due process, which can be a big issue with teachers having parents complain about them all the time.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Here is a quote from the education forum, where this is also being discussed:



I think #4 is a big issue. "Back in the Day" many teachers had to eat lunch with the students, and even help the students at lunch time; clean rooms, plan on their own time, attend P/T conferences, concerts, etc on their own time, and not receive due process, which can be a big issue with teachers having parents complain about them all the time.

and back in the day our kids were better educated

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

and back in the day our kids were better educated

Not so. There are links all over this forum, particularly here and on the education forum (where I suspect many of these anti-teacher people have never ventured) about the improvement in graduation rates over the years. As recently as the 1960s, the national graduation rate was about 50%. Furthermore, graduation rates do not hinge on whether the teacher cleans the room.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Not so. There are links all over this forum, particularly here and on the education forum (where I suspect many of these anti-teacher people have never ventured) about the improvement in graduation rates over the years. As recently as the 1960s, the national graduation rate was about 50%. Furthermore, graduation rates do not hinge on whether the teacher cleans the room.

which it still is in nevada


funniest thing is Obama proposes longer school days, because we are falling behind every other country in the world, and the first thing the unions do is complain

[Swigchow]

Originally Posted by sanrene

Wrong..again.

The can of worms is the American taxpayer realizing just how much they have been screwed by the unions.

Yes, the unions screwed us. That is why we have the benevolent Corporations. I always appreciate that they are looking out for my best interest. That is also the reason they shouldnt be regulated. That is true Freedom.

[workingclasshero]

I dare ANY of today's 8th grader...or even 12th grader to pass this

this is an 8th grade test from the turn of the last century

GRAMMAR
(Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case. Illustrate each case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10 Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

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ARITHMETIC
(Time, 1 ¼ hour)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weights 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. Per bu., deducting 1050 lbs for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 per cent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per m?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 per cent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

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U.S. HISTORY
(Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whtney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865.

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ORTHOGRAPHY
(Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthogaphy, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret ãuä.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final ãeä. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

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GEOGRAPHY
(Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of N.A.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall, and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.

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BIOLOGY
(Time, one hour)
1. Where are the saliva, gastric juice, and bile secreted? What is the use of each in digestion?
2. How does nutrition reach the circulation?
3. What is the function of the liver? Of the kidneys?
4. How would you stop the flow of blood from an artery in the case of laceration?
5. Give some general directions that you think would be beneficial to preserve the human body in a state of health.



come on , really tell me todays students are better than those of yesteryear

[Waianaegirl]

Originally Posted by TempesT68

Mr Shultz is a hero and making the best political move of his life. The tea party is crashing and burning. Any smart republican would distance themselves as far away from the tea party as they can.