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Old 03-01-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...United_Kingdom

LOL @ the leftie who thought that gun ownership is illegal in the UK
UK has always had a very low gun ownership and low gun crime rates.

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The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world. Only Singapore has a lower rate of gun homicides. The overall homicide rate is also low. In England and Wales (the most populous part of the United Kingdom) the rate is below the EU average and about four times lower than that of the United States.v[1] Its police officers do not routinely carry a firearm, and both the public and the police prefer this to continue.[2] Gun ownership levels have traditionally been low. Gun ownership levels have traditionally been low. This was the case even before the imposition of modern firearm legislation
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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UK has always had a very low gun ownership and low gun crime rates.
Yup, although they have double the amount of petty crime that we have. Unarmed citizens make robbery high reward, low risk.
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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I think it's to be expected you're going to have more homicides, one reason being the weapon being used is so much more deadly.

Elsewhere you'll have people resorting to knives, baseball bats or whatever, none of them are as effective a tool for killing someone.
True, true... gun is much more effective.
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Yup, although they have double the amount of petty crime that we have. Unarmed citizens make robbery high reward, low risk.
Double? Not quite. UK is #8, and US not too far behind at #11

Robberies (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_percap-crime-robberies-per-capita - broken link)

The problem is UK are the drunkards who are looking for fights.
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Double? Not quite. UK is #8, and US not too far behind at #11

Robberies (per capita) by country. Definition, graph and map. (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rob_percap-crime-robberies-per-capita - broken link)

The problem is UK are the drunkards who are looking for fights.
As mentioned earlier regarding thefts:

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# 7 United Kingdom: 13.8321 per 1,000 people
# 8 Poland: 9.46071 per 1,000 people
# 9 Canada: 8.94425 per 1,000 people
# 10 South Africa: 8.89764 per 1,000 people
# 11 Montserrat: 8.24323 per 1,000 people
# 12 Iceland: 8.11156 per 1,000 people
# 13 Switzerland: 8.06303 per 1,000 people
# 14 Slovenia: 7.93734 per 1,000 people
# 15 Czech Republic: 7.24841 per 1,000 people
# 16 Hungary: 7.15849 per 1,000 people
# 17 United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people
Only a person who watches too much BBC would think it's solely because of drunkards.
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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As mentioned earlier regarding thefts:

Only a person who watches too much BBC would think it's solely because of drunkards.
I don't watch BBC, but then again I never said it was solely because of drunkards. I said the drunks are a bigger problem in UK than in US, and that is plain for anyone to see who visits UK.

You talked about robbery, and I provided robbery statisics which prove UK and US are more or less the same, but then you offer theft statistics. Why don't you stick to what you are talking about? If you're talking about robbery, then talk about robbery, not petty theft. I notice Finland is high on your list although they have 3rd highest gun ownership in the world. How come? You think the thiefs break in to steal their guns?

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Old 03-01-2011, 07:20 PM
 
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UK has always had a very low gun ownership and low gun crime rates.
Not true... In 1900 UK gun ownership was probably as high if not higher than the US. Certainly it was known that it was easier to obtain a gun in London than in the US.

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When in 1909 unarmed police gave chase to a couple of gun-toting Latvian anarchist desperados in Tottenham, there was no shortage of passers-by who lent their pistols to the coppers.
In 1903 the pistols act limited that the person buying the gun was not a drunkard or insane.

It was only after 1920 that real gun restrictions began to be applied to the citizenry of the UK. Even then most permits and people who wanted a gun could easily get one. Indeed for 3 years from the 1934 NFA to 1937 when automatic weapons were added to the Firearms act automatic firearms were less regulated in the UK than the US.

Here's an article from the times...
Victorian gun crime - the shocking story | Graham Stewart - Times Online

Here's a historical perspective on the UK and it's gun control history (it's quite long), http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/polin/polin033.pdf.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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While gun related crime is quite low in the UK, gun ownership is not illegal. However gun ownership in towns and cities is very low (the guns that are owned would be mainly owned in rural areas), so the finding of a bullet might well cause someone to call the police. Especially in a town like York which is quite middle class. Someone here finding a bullet in the town itself would almost certainly think it was related to something criminal, and would likely be correct in that assumption (or enough to warrant a call to the police)
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I don't watch BBC, but then again I never said it was solely because of drunkards. I said the drunks are a bigger problem in UK than in US, and that is plain for anyone to see who visits UK.
You'll have to forgive me. I'm a scientist by profession and I immediately dismiss anecdotal evidence as meaningless.
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