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Old 03-03-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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From your "scholarly" article:

"The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist"

Why did Hitler hate trade unions and their bosses? Is that why he banned collective bargaining?
Ask him. Perhaps Hitler knew the trade-union bosses would run jobs out of the country. A socialist wouldn't advocate the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people's jobs, would he?

Look at what the trade unions are doing to Chicago:
Fewer Conventions Are Choosing Chicago - WSJ.com


In the meantime, the rest of us are discussing the public employee unions that force taxpayers to pay for their incessant greedy demands by holding their homes hostage (property tax).
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Doesn't look like the Ohio house dems can pull the same stunt that WI dems did.

Labor Loses Big In Ohio - Hotline On Call

Labor Loses Big In Ohio

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While nearly all the media attention and labor activism has been centered in Madison over Walker's controversial budget bill, Kasich is on the verge of passing an equally significant bill restraining collective bargaining rights in the Buckeye State.

It's awfully similar to the legislation Walker has struggled to pass, in a more politically-consequential state for the 2012 presidential battle. The bill would make Ohio the first state to strip collective bargaining rights from public employees.
And the Left/dems thought the House GOP win was the biggest of their problems.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Ask him. Perhaps Hitler knew the trade-union bosses would run jobs out of the country. A socialist wouldn't advocate the destruction of hundreds of thousands of people's jobs, would he?
May be. Perhaps he wrote about it? Perhaps he did think along the lines that banning trade unions was the way to help the economy? Now, now, where am I seeing that idea being applied...

But he did hate unions, took away collective bargaining. And announced that social-democrats and trade union leaders were unfit for his socialism (you know the one you keep pointing at).
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:21 PM
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The Republican Party had major success in the 2010 election running on the message "Cut Government Spending".

I really have no problem with that.

But that message did NOT include "Take Away The Right To Collectively Bargain".

Because that message was NEVER clearly articulated GOP candidates effectively snookered many voters in Ohio. That will come back to haunt them on 2012.

In general folks in the Midwest don't like to be snookered and they don't like to be pushed around especially by corporate interest. The Republican Party will face the consequences for this in 2012.
Wow, that's wishful thinking if I ever heard it. Very few Ohioans can collectively bargain for their salaries, as public workers will still be able to do. And a tiny percentage of those few make anywhere near what some teachers do. 6-figure teaching salaries with 13 weeks of vacation, lifetime health care and extravagant early retirement benefits are finally penetrating the public consciousness. I for one welcome this long-overdue opportunity for open and honest debate on the issue.

Teachers need to face the fact that the open-ended retirement packages they enjoy are already doomed. Ohio isn't exactly a mecca for people willing to pay the taxes necessary to make good on those obligations.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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Because that message was NEVER clearly articulated GOP candidates effectively snookered many voters in Ohio. That will come back to haunt them on 2012.
Nonsense. Both Kascich and Walker ran on the issue.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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May be. Perhaps he wrote about it? Perhaps he did think along the lines that banning trade unions was the way to help the economy? Now, now, where am I seeing that idea being applied...
Not in WI or OH. Their issue is the public employee unions bankrupting their state and local governments.
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Teachers need to face the fact that the open-ended retirement packages they enjoy are already doomed. Ohio isn't exactly a mecca for people willing to pay the taxes necessary to make good on those obligations.
It's safe to say that that is true across the entire country. We're seeing the taxpayers finally stand up for themselves, nationwide.
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:14 PM
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It's safe to say that that is true across the entire country. We're seeing the taxpayers finally stand up for themselves, nationwide.
But the point is that some districts across the country have redeeming features to attract future taxpayers. Cities like Solon, OH that routinely pay teachers 6-figure salaries with commensurate benefits are well on their way to becoming ghost towns. Why would anyone in their right mind start a business in a place like that, or choose to live there when they could send their children to a topnotch private school for less money???
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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Silly libs...

There is no money.

There is nothing with which to bargain.

You can scream, whine, demand, stomp your feet, and throw temper tantrums all you want, but doing so won't change the math. Doing so does, however, expose your selfishness and greed in all its ugliness for the whole nation to see. Thus, the mask has been removed...
You post totally ignores the fact SCOTT WALKER GOT ALL THE WAGE AND BENEFIT CONCESSIONS HE ASKED THE UNION FOR.

Why should any group give up it's future right to collective bargaining?
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Old 03-03-2011, 01:36 PM
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You post totally ignores the fact SCOTT WALKER GOT ALL THE WAGE AND BENEFIT CONCESSIONS HE ASKED THE UNION FOR.

Why should any group give up it's future right to collective bargaining?
Why on earth do the public unions "deserve" collective bargaining rights when the people paying their salaries don't?

If you don't like your public sector deal, you're more than welcome to try your luck surviving in the private sector like the rest of us. Maybe your departure will grind government to a halt - that's a chance I'm willing to take...
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