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The BoE/DoE doesn't want anything to do with accountability. It's really this simple and quite telling. The education system, like welfare and social security, is a way to skim cream off the top. It puts the dems and the unions in bed with each other and that bed has been cozy for years. Programs are used as personal ATMs for these ideologues.
Reformists were the first to be fired when Brown took office. THE VERY FIRST THING HE DID, in fact. He then attempted to hire Bill Honig the former superintendent of schools who used his position to funnel millions into his wifes "non-profit" company.
"The indictment stemmed from payments made by the Department of Education to local school districts to pay the salaries of individuals who actually worked for the Quality Education Project, a nonprofit corporation. QEP used as its address Honig’s residence address, and the required periodic legal statements and reports were filed by Honig’s wife, Nancy"
Brown opted to fire reformists, yet hired a felon and a known thief of public funds into the DoE that he stole from 18 years ago! How many people are dimm enough not to see the irony here?
California is a beacon for the scandalous politics that have invaded our system, under the sheepskin of "progressivism", like a cancer.
Where did I say that?
Show me something that works and I'm always willing to look at it.
You haven't done that.
You just said that you want public tax money to go to private schools.
You said that people never think out of the box that they don't know how to since they were educated in the US.
I cried bs on that.
But now I see that you think you've got better ideas than those of us who are uneducated, can't think out of the box people who were schooled in the US.
What ad hominem attacks? The one you just made on me?
You've refused to provide support for any of your opinions and expect us to take it as fact.
That's just not going to happen.
i'd really love to know why you are so full of hatred today chiel? attacking my grammar, spelling and occassional use of capitals to suggest i'm an uneducated ****, and then you put words in my mouth. i said we have a school system, which discourages intellectual growth. perhaps i might have led you to believe that i was referring solely to US education system. i'll correct that by saying that i'm not really a fan of traditional centralised/centralized education systems anywhere on the planet.
the reason i'm in favor/favour of school choice, charter, vouchers, homeschooling, unschooling or low cost private is because i see them as an alternative to the one size approach of federal and to a large extent state education. imo, the less funding paid by the govt, the less influence they have over forcing education into the confines of what they consider to be the only way forward
The voucher program has given new life to venerable Catholic and Lutheran schools in the city, and has spurred the creation of dozens of new schools - many of them religious - that rely solely on voucher students. All told, about 70 percent of the voucher schools are religious.
So were subsidizing religious indoctrination now
Wonderful
you probably don't mind too much when they're been indoctrinated with the global warming nonsense though
The voucher program has given new life to venerable Catholic and Lutheran schools in the city, and has spurred the creation of dozens of new schools - many of them religious - that rely solely on voucher students. All told, about 70 percent of the voucher schools are religious.
So were subsidizing religious indoctrination now
Wonderful
I'm certain that "families" who already have religious beliefs are the ones sending their kids to whichever school that applies those beliefs to the curriculum.
Don't get your tax paying undies in a wad over religion. I'm positive athiests will continue sending their kids to publicly funded socialist indoctrination field offices (i mean public schools).
The parents have chosen to send them to a religious school so I don't have any issue with it.
I really don't care where the students go as long as the parent is empowered to make their own choices. That is the key to making this work.
Well, this empowered tax payer says No, these parents
don't have that public choice.
I don't care where they go on their private dime.
But when you are talking Public taxpayer revenue -
I have a REAL PROBLEM with that.
See, a tax payer pays Public Taxes Is there something your missing in that point.
A Public voucher system forced to fund private and religious school teachings that I as a tax payer would not agree with. e.g. Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christian, etc. - has far more reaching issues than just some other
parent's personal choice.
Public tax dollars should only be used to improve public
education, not to fund sectarian religious education.
Period.
There is autonomy between religious schools and public
schools for a reason. No public entity should be
forcing tax payers to subsidize the agendas of any PRIVATE religious group.
I'm certain that "families" who already have religious beliefs are the ones sending their kids to whichever school that applies those beliefs to the curriculum.
Don't get your tax paying undies in a wad over religion. I'm positive athiests will continue sending their kids to publicly funded socialist indoctrination field offices (i mean public schools).
Well this tax paying undies in a wad over religion is
an atheist and I home schooled
If families have religious beliefs and want those beliefs
attached to their child's curriculum - there's a private
parochial school waiting for your private dollars. The
options are endless.
i'd really love to know why you are so full of hatred today chiel? attacking my grammar, spelling and occassional use of capitals to suggest i'm an uneducated ****, and then you put words in my mouth. i said we have a school system, which discourages intellectual growth. Not true, see your post no. 87, below.perhaps i might have led you to believe that i was referring solely to US education system. i'll correct that by saying that i'm not really a fan of traditional centralised/centralized education systems anywhere on the planet.
the reason i'm in favor/favour of school choice, charter, vouchers, homeschooling, unschooling or low cost private is because i see them as an alternative to the one size approach of federal and to a large extent state education. imo, the less funding paid by the govt, the less influence they have over forcing education into the confines of what they consider to be the only way forward
you are spot on with the assertion that we don't value intellectual growth. that is because we have a really screwed up public/private school system. people brought up by this system (both private and public) cannot think out of the box for a second. we have such a narrow definition of what education is and how it has to be delivered. sure there are some homeschoolers who are sort of breaking that mold but i feel most encouraged by the growth of montessori, sudbury and most counter intuitively, unschooling.
on other countries valuing education, i think this is partially correct. we still value education though being a degenerate is far more valued. that is if you compare the earnings of snookie to most brain surgeons.
Don't read into my posts what you want and blame it on me.
I directly quoted you before and reposted your own words right here:
that is because we have a really screwed up public/private school system. people brought up by this system (both private and public) cannot think out of the box for a second.
No one cares how you educate your children so long as you're not using the money designated for public schools.
If you choose to use improper grammar and punctuation, you are presenting yourself as unable to communicate in English. Your choice.
But quit judging another's education by your standards.
If you want to take a generalization that I posted within the context of what I get out of my tax dollars that go toward education, that's completely on you.
Do you think you should have been funded through the public funds? I would agree with that however I think we would need some safeguards in place to insure the parent isn't just home schooling to get their hands on the cash.
Again, I don't care who is getting the money as long as the student is getting a better education. Doesn't matter to me if it's home schooled, religious school or public school.
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