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Old 03-03-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Those politicians are NOT representing their constituents, the taxpayers. They're representing a very small special interest group hell bent on reaming the taxpayers for more and more.
Then don't vote for them next time.

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Not one of you has ever posted a poll stating that the majority of WI voters agree to pay more taxes so the public employees can keep taking more and more from their neighbors by threat of losing their homes.
Nobody has posted a poll showing that the majority of Wisconsin voters agree to having their lower jaws removed either.

It would be dumb to expect one.

Don't hold your breath waiting.
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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You are worried about slander with all the baseless bashing that goes on here? Really? Have you voiced this concern in other baseless accusation threads? I've never seen you do it before. I do think it's cute though, you trying to protect him and all.
Ask Sanrene if I've voiced this concern before.
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:01 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Nobody has posted a poll showing that the majority of Wisconsin voters agree to having their lower jaws removed either.
Yeah, because direct costs to local and state governments which are borne by the taxpayers are being addressed in the bill, not jaw removal.

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It would be dumb to expect one.
So why would you? Are you admitting something to us all?

When are you all going to get the fact that you DO NOT have the taxpayers' support? The taxpayers have said, "ENOUGH! WE'RE DONE!!!"
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:10 PM
 
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Yeah, because direct costs to local and state governments which are borne by the taxpayers are being addressed in the bill, not jaw removal.

So why would you? Are you admitting something to us all?

When are you all going to get the fact that you DO NOT have the taxpayers' support? The taxpayers have said, "ENOUGH! WE'RE DONE!!!"
What does a poll matter? The people of Madison voted for this mayor, didn't they?
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:29 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What does a poll matter? The people of Madison voted for this mayor, didn't they?
The mayor of Madison does not get to dictate WI State law. That's why it matters.
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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This is what the unions and democrats are all about. Deceit, duplicitous behavior in order to lock in union power.

FOX6 Investigators... (http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-20110302-madison-contracts,0,3750568.story - broken link)
Completely aside from the fact that Fox is totally biased against unions in the first place...what would anyone who works for Fox News know about an actual investigation of anything?
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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And have you somehow proven that Mayor Cieslewicz in in the pocket of the unions? Because unless you can prove that this is a corrupt mayor being paid off by unions, you have a problem. You are slandering this man unless you have proof. Provide proof.
Is he a democrat?

If so, he is beholden on union contributions, just like ALL democrats.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Wait--first off, Citizens for Responsible Government is a tea party group--not a neutral media watch dog. Go check out their site. I'd give them about as much credibility as I'd give Glenn Beck

Since when is it a crime for a Mayor to contact his State representative about an issue impacting city government? Do you think perhaps that the mayor might want to avoid throwing city government into immediate chaos if the bill passed, and the entire structure changed, with no warning, especially since they were trying to wrap up contract negotiations? Remember--the initial R plan was to pass this bill in less than a week with no public debate. They even initially lied to the D's in the house about the vote time so they couldn't try to offer amendments or demand a debate. I'm sure there were lots of school boards and local governments trying to figure out what was going on. A request to buy time was not unreasonable--bills like this are usually passed with months of debate, and time to make plans.

If the mayor was trying to do a sneaky backroom deal, do you think he would have put it in a written request to the rep? You've got to be kidding me. This was about as above board as it gets.

Where, any place in all of this, do the unions come in? Did they contact the state rep? The accusation of collusion has absolutely nothing to back it up that I can see.

Last--it didn't happen. They didn't slow down the printing of the bill. The request was rejected. FOX couldn't find any record of the Dem Senators leaving for any of these reasons--they admitted that in your own link and FOX broadcast.

Are you this desperate?
Do you understand what collusion is? Also, just b/c the Dems are not admitting this to be a reason they ran, that does not mean it's not what's going on underneath it all. The Dems said they know they will lose when they come back, no matter when that is, but they choose to shirk their duties and stay away. What other reason could there be? I have heard all over the local news that public sector employers are scrambling to renew their CB contracts before the bill passes...now why do you suppose that is?
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Does the mayor personally benefit from the union contract being completed? No. The only thing he gained by having a few more days (by coincidence--his request was rejected) is losing the nightmare of having to come up with an entirely new set of employment policies and a benefits plan for the unionized city staff within days if the contract wasn't completed in time, and it was thrown out by the legislation. Sounds like a smart administrator to me. Now they have time to plan and regroup in an organized way.
Reelection....
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do you understand what collusion is? Also, just b/c the Dems are not admitting this to be a reason they ran, that does not mean it's not what's going on underneath it all. The Dems said they know they will lose when they come back, no matter when that is, but they choose to shirk their duties and stay away. What other reason could there be? I have heard all over the local news that public sector employers are scrambling to renew their CB contracts before the bill passes...now why do you suppose that is?
Exactly. They're all scrambling to ink their screw the taxpayers contracts before Walker and the Republicans remove their ability to do so. The AWOL Dem Senators are enabling the continued reaming of the WI taxpayers.

Don't think for a minute the taxpayers will forget about this cowardly betrayal by the Dems when their property tax bills arrive in the mail and the amount they owe is higher than ever.
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