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Old 03-03-2011, 02:57 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Prove that it does. I mean from a credible source.
Sure, I would be happy to!

I don't know if this site is credible though.

Teacher Created Materials - teacher created resources including lesson plans for every classroom - Teacher Created Materials

Scroll down 6 pages.

http://www.teachercreatedmaterials.c...e2_Handout.pdf
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Old 03-03-2011, 02:58 PM
 
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Thanks so much!!! Okay all you Doubting Thomases. Take a peek inside the link that was so graciously supplied by this poster.
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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Thanks so much!!! Okay all you Doubting Thomases. Take a peek inside the link that was so graciously supplied by this poster.
Hey where is everyone, now that a couple verifying links are here???

HELLOOOOOO!
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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What kind of sick, demented nation would actually tend to the health, education, and general well-being of its citizens?

I must have missed the verse about the means of production being in the hands of the state (the basic foundation of socialism).

In 2009, The American Revolution Center (ARC)

A Living Memorial To The American Revolution and Its Enduring Legacy | American Revolution Center


commissioned a survey of adult Americans concerning their general knowledge of The American Revolution and of the country's founding.

From that study:

More than 50 percent of Americans wrongly
attributed the quote “From each according to his
ability, to each according to his needs” to either
George Washington, Thomas Paine, or President
Barack Obama, when it is in fact a quote from
Karl Marx, author of The Communist Manifesto.

http://www.americanrevolutioncenter.org/sites/default/files/ARCv27_web.pdf (broken link)

The ARC study mirrors a study done a couple of decades earlier, which found that the majority of Americans believed the Marx quote to be from the US Constitution!

There is a reason why Americans tend to think that--for most Americans this sounds like what the United States (or any civilized society) should be about: addressing the basic needs of our population.
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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Hey where is everyone, now that a couple verifying links are here???

HELLOOOOOO!
Wow. I clicked the link expecting a socialist credo and what do I see?

8 pages, involving among other things, the following:

  • Full text of "In Flanders Fields".
  • Full text of "O Captain, my Captain."
  • Full text of "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy."
  • And a silly choral reading piece named "The preamble to the Constitution".
The latter has a few comments on each sentence in the preamble. Obviously, it's the one sentence on "general welfare" that has everybody's thongs in a slipknot. For context, here's the vile, subversive , socialist segment that precedes it - this is the one on "common defense":

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All: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense,
R2: The Air Force. No one comes close! Soar to new heights in the wild blue yonder!
All: Nothing can stop the U.S. Air Force!
R3: The Army. Be all you can be! Be an army of one!
All: Hoo Ahh!
R4: The Navy, Welcome aboard;
All: Anchors aweigh! Full speed ahead!
R1: The Coast Guard, Protecting America. It’s our job every day!
All: Semper Paratus. Always Ready.
R5: And the Marines. The few, the proud.
All: Semper Fi!
Hmmm. It doesn't look like subversive propaganda.

Nor does this:
Quote:
R5: The Constitution of the United States of America has stood the test of time.
R6: Although it was signed on September 17, 1787, it still stands as a ruling document of laws, ensuring the rights and liberties that we still enjoy today.
R7: And so, let us proclaim once again for all the world to hear . . .
R1: The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America.
Horrible, isn't it? Or could it be - obviously a blue-sky thought - could it be that the perpetually enraged righties cherry-picked a quote to get worked up over?
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Wow. I clicked the link expecting a socialist credo and what do I see?

8 pages, involving among other things, the following:

  • Full text of "In Flanders Fields".
  • Full text of "O Captain, my Captain."
  • Full text of "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy."
  • And a silly choral reading piece named "The preamble to the Constitution".
The latter has a few comments on each sentence in the preamble. Obviously, it's the one sentence on "general welfare" that has everybody's thongs in a slipknot. For context, here's the vile, subversive , socialist segment that precedes it - this is the one on "common defense":

Hmmm. It doesn't look like subversive propaganda.

Nor does this:
Horrible, isn't it? Or could it be - obviously a blue-sky thought - could it be that the perpetually enraged righties cherry-picked a quote to get worked up over?
Gee, you must have missed this part, that they have the kids chant:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,
R7: People’s basic needs must be met in a country. R5: Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care are overseen by
our government system" http://www.teachercreatedmaterials.c...e2_Handout.pdf

You know where they insert that our health care system is overseen by our govenment???? Hmmmmm.
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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Gee, you must have missed this part, that they have the kids chant:

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,
R7: People’s basic needs must be met in a country. R5: Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care are overseen by
our government system" http://www.teachercreatedmaterials.c...e2_Handout.pdf

You know where they insert that our health care system is overseen by our govenment???? Hmmmmm.
No, I'm pointing out that you've selectively picked one sentence in an otherwise seriously patriotic performance to get worked up about. And that I find it silly. (I take it you don't have issue with "People's basic needs must be met in a country".)
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Wow. I clicked the link expecting a socialist credo and what do I see?

8 pages, involving among other things, the following:

  • Full text of "In Flanders Fields".
  • Full text of "O Captain, my Captain."
  • Full text of "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy."
  • And a silly choral reading piece named "The preamble to the Constitution".
The latter has a few comments on each sentence in the preamble. Obviously, it's the one sentence on "general welfare" that has everybody's thongs in a slipknot. For context, here's the vile, subversive , socialist segment that precedes it - this is the one on "common defense":

Hmmm. It doesn't look like subversive propaganda.

Nor does this:
Horrible, isn't it? Or could it be - obviously a blue-sky thought - could it be that the perpetually enraged righties cherry-picked a quote to get worked up over?
You must have missed this, I could not find it in the preamble of the Constitution though.

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R7: People’s basic needs must be met in a country.
R5: Needs for housing, education, transportation, and health care are overseen by our government system.
R6: Labor laws ensure that people work in safe environments and that they are paid fairly for the work that they do.
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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Sorry--I don't have the patience for another Glenn Beck conspiracy theory today, and I used the last of the reynolds wrap on a roast for dinner
If that is going around, then it would NOT be a conspiracy, it could be collusion between socialist and the education unions.

I for a long time thought classrooms with your kids should be available to see, record and view on the Internet during class hours.

That right there would straighten a lot of BS out.

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Old 03-03-2011, 04:29 PM
 
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I seem to have a low tolerance for willful stupidity today, because - seriously? That segment of the presentation has been covered all the way up in the OP. Do we really need to cover that ground again? Can't remember what you read 5 minutes ago?

Look at the context. OK, look up what context means, then look at the document.

Are those 8 pages the product of a socialist subversive? "Oo-rah!" is rebellious against the existing order in the US? "Flanders Fields" is intended to inspire the revolt of the Proletariat?

Of course it isn't. You know it, the idiots who penned the piece in The Blaze know it. You're hanging your outrage on one bloody sentence and I wish I could be surprised that it was the one to do with the "general welfare" clause, but I am beginning to think that you'd much prefer a Constitution that didn't bother with that pesky idea.
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