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Old 03-04-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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What has been accomplished in Afghanistan since the 2001 invasion? What has the recent US surge accomplished?
The Taliban was driven from power and Kabul is under the new government's control - but they can't control the rest of the country.
Otherwise it's just been a cat and mouse game trying to remove insurgents. NATO projects power into a valley and they disperse only to come back when when NATO moves on to the next valley. Just as much or more time and effort seems to go into protecting NATO bases and outposts than in routing out insurgents.
Most Afghanis have never heard of 9/11 and don't know why foreigners have invaded their country. Building up the Afghan military has been challenging as most recruits are illiterate, have never driven a car, and join just for the paycheck.
We haven't won the hearts and minds of Afghanis. At best the rationale for staying in Afghanistan is the same as Vietnam or the bailout - things will be worse if we leave or don't spend the money. The fear is that the Kabul gov't would fall and insurgents driven into northern Pakistan would cross back into Afghanistan. If that's the case, that its a holding action, then admit that we are in for the long haul.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: North America
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Not a hell of a lot. We should have taken a cue from the Russians. But, then we didn't listen to the French about Viet Nam, so why should we start now?
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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Heroin prices are at an all time low and easier to get a hold of than crack in some cities.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:07 AM
 
Location: N.W. Austin.
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The consolidation of power by the Taliban and an increase in the drug output/export.

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/20...lbabbrown.aspx


Illicit drugs by country. Definition, graph and map.


BACKED UP BY FACTS AND FIGURES, NOT JUST MY WORTHLESS OPINION.

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Old 03-04-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Some sand people got killed, some military-industrialists and their political friends got filthy rich, tax payers got robbed. War business as usual
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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We now have 2 whole armies of battle hardened bad-asses on either side of Iran just waiting to shake hands over Ahmadinejad's corpse should he misbehave...
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Quoting myself-

"The Afghan non government might just let each tribe shake down the pipeline operators thus putting their investment at risk. At worst the Central Asian countries might sell directly to China and India bypassing OPEC price controls."

The crux of the matter is we cannot control Afghanistan from Kabul because Afghanistan has never been controlled by any central government. Looks like it never will. We need to simply get out and the Afghanis will deal with each other and the pipeline builders however they want. It is THEIR country is it not?
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:17 AM
 
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We now have 2 whole armies of battle hardened bad-asses on either side of Iran just waiting to shake hands over Ahmadinejad's corpse should he misbehave...
BUAHAHAHAHA delusions of grandeur!

It could happen in a parallel universe if every Billy bad butt on the internet would put their money where their mouth was and joined the military. Then we would have another 50 million internet tough guys trained on video game simulators ready to stomp the dog snot out of that guy.

Of course since all these gutless cowards are spineless jellyfish, that will never happen, with their bum knee from high school football and all...
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: N.W. Austin.
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We now have 2 whole armies of battle hardened bad-asses on either side of Iran just waiting to shake hands over Ahmadinejad's corpse should he misbehave...
Or conversely, 3 whole armies of battle hardened bad-asses, ready, willing and able to overrun the entire middle east while controlling anywhere from 30%-60% of the current proven oil reserves.

It's then either $20/gallon, or Armageddon, depending on what aspect of reality you subscribe to.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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Or conversely, 3 whole armies of battle hardened bad-asses, ready, willing and able to overrun the entire middle east while controlling anywhere from 30%-60% of the current proven oil reserves.

It's then either $20/gallon, or Armageddon, depending on what aspect of reality you subscribe to.
Not gonna happen!

Thanks for sharing!
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