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Old 03-04-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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They accepted the modest changes. All of them.

Not the final one. Walker wants them to accept the same deal the Federal unions live by. Benefits are out of control because the union insists Wisconsin buy the union benefits from the union owned insurance company which is much more costly than other insurance companies.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Um, the unions agreed to all the terms except no collective bargaining, which cannot be described as 'modest' by any stretch of the imagination.
Sure it is, the Federal unions live under the same rules. Collective bargaining would only be barred for benefits. The union wants the tax payers to buy their insurance from their owned company which charges exhorbitant fees.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Not the final one. Walker wants them to accept the same deal the Federal unions live by. Benefits are out of control because the union insists Wisconsin buy the union benefits from the union owned insurance company which is much more costly than other insurance companies.
I said the unions accepted the modest ones.

This whole thing is going to be a hard sell for Republicans, imo.



Right before the last election, the word "jobs" was about every other word out of a Republican candidates mouth, and they won.

Now they are in power and firing a buttload of people.

What were they campaigning on again?




A slick version of above will be running on airwaves across America next year. And it will play well.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I said the unions accepted the modest ones.

This whole thing is going to be a hard sell for Republicans, imo.



Right before the last election, the word "jobs" was about every other word out of a Republican candidates mouth, and they won.

Now they are in power and firing a buttload of people.

What were they campaigning on again?




A slick version of above will be running on airwaves across America next year. And it will play well.

Fiscal restraint is what they ran on. If the public employees refuse to live by the same conditions the rest of us do they can expect to be fired. After all we pay their salaries and benefits.

I think it will be a hard sell for the Dems to run on a platform of enriching the public employees union, they very people bankrolling them, at tax payers expense.. Unethical is the most polite thing you could call it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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How dare you!
The only ""working people" are in unions ?
Many non union "working families" are going to pay for your $25,000 health insurance and other perks and benefits ?
Non union "working families" are getting sick of your whining but are to busy WORKING to go on TV to say so .
This is not Republican money Gov. Walker is fighting for , its the peoples money . WORKING peoples money .
"Working families" I roll my eyes every time you say it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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How dare you!
The only ""working people" are in unions ?
Many non union "working families" are going to pay for your $25,000 health insurance and other perks and benefits ?
Non union "working families" are getting sick of your whining but are to busy WORKING to go on TV to say so .
This is not Republican money Gov. Walker is fighting for , its the peoples money . WORKING peoples money .
"Working families" I roll my eyes every time you say it.

Excellent point. Most "working families" are not in unions and do not have Cadillac benefit plans. It is galling that we are furnishing better benefits for public employees than we get ourselves.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Fiscal restraint is what they ran on. If the public employees refuse to live by the same conditions the rest of us do they can expect to be fired. After all we pay their salaries and benefits.

I think it will be a hard sell for the Dems to run on a platform of enriching the public employees union, they very people bankrolling them, at tax payers expense.. Unethical is the most polite thing you could call it.
I'm not sure what election you were watching.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCWzU9KUmpg

People DO want more fiscal responsibilty. However, they would rather see it focused much more on Defense programs, and raising taxes on the wealthiest.

Firing teachers. TEACHERS!!! Is not going do well for them politically. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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LOL. yes municiplaities having their credit ratings lowered because their debt is too high will really help communities. We ain't got no money. The well is dry!

The unions had a choice, accept modest changes or layoffs. They made their choice.
Oh! This too! Walker caused the local municipalities to have a lower credit rating by making deep cuts in state funding to these municipalities.

Municipal, county governments targets of large cuts in Walker's budget!

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As local officials feared and expected, Gov. Scott Walker is proposing deep cuts in state aid to municipalities and counties and limits on their ability to cover cuts with increased property taxes.
In his proposed 2011-13 biennial budget released Tuesday, Walker is proposing a $59.5 million, or 8.8 percent, cut in state aid to municipalities and a $36.5 million, or 24 percent, cut for counties in 2012.
Municipal, county governments targets of large cuts in Walker's budget
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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How dare you!
The only ""working people" are in unions ?
Many non union "working families" are going to pay for your $25,000 health insurance and other perks and benefits ?
Non union "working families" are getting sick of your whining but are to busy WORKING to go on TV to say so .
This is not Republican money Gov. Walker is fighting for , its the peoples money . WORKING peoples money .
"Working families" I roll my eyes every time you say it.
Time for the million/billionaires to pay their fair share!
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I'm not sure what election you were watching.


People DO want more fiscal responsibilty. However, they would rather see it focused much more on Defense programs, and raising taxes on the wealthiest.

Firing teachers. TEACHERS!!! Is not going do well for them politically. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

LOL, that war was fought the last election and you guys lost.
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