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Old 03-05-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I said a socail issue that doesn'rt harm another. Abortion harms people. Only person I remember seriuosly making an effort to have government censorship was Tipper Gore. A Democrat.

Democrats support the Patriot Act and everyting else you say. Dems just had 2 years to reverse these laws and did nothing. Obama has more ex Wall Streeters in office than any president before him.
I'm not a Democrat either. Also, whether or not abortion harms someone is debatable as fetus is not considered to be a human life.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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I said a socail issue that doesn'rt harm another. Abortion harms people. Only person I remember seriuosly making an effort to have government censorship was Tipper Gore. A Democrat.

Democrats support the Patriot Act and everyting else you say. Dems just had 2 years to reverse these laws and did nothing. Obama has more ex Wall Streeters in office than any president before him.
Many conservatives wish or have wished to restrict rights of women, of different religions, of minority groups, of interracial marriages... Virginia conservatives just passed a law to use government to force people to depend on cars. When you analyze the facts, you realize very quickly that most radical conservatives (not moderate) simply fight whatever is different from themselves - really the opposite of freedom.

If your utopian pure free market is so great, then how come it has failed so many in so many ways? Why is quality of life so much higher in nations social democracies?

I'm actually all for free markets, but they haven't proven 100% effective yet. Until then, I'll happily support well-monitored and limited government intervention.

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Old 03-05-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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If you are so naive to think the private sector moves for any reason other than profit then you are deluded. If you recall the private banking sector created a great economic mess we are facing today. With the beginnings in greed they created ways to soak the public and then get the public to cover their bad bets. .... and this is the sector you want to put all your eggs in? That's the perfect solution for getting poached in the process.

To equate liberals with big gov is yet another attack from the right... you know the side that in gov allows the business to strip the country of resources, ship jobs overseas and then give them their money back when they have a bad bet....

If a liberal is for anything it is holding accountable the thieves in either government or business. Give me a year to run things and expect to see the prisons bristling with some starched shirts. You want to see smaller gov... you would from me, but that doesn't mean I'd close the doors of the watchdogs, just eliminate the duplication, and unneeded services.

I would give Congress notice their health care would end in 1 month and that they need to come up with a new one but the package they come up with will be theirs as well as the rest of the country. Think they will still allow insurance companies to rule the roost?

influence pedaling would become one of the most egregious crimes in the country. Would gov solve everyones problems...NO but they would do what they can to make roads smoother and not make the problems worse.

When you like to lay all the woes of the world on liberals... remember the biggest gov, the largest tax increases and the greatest attacks on the Constitution came from the right side as did the greatest looting of the US.

I guess the right has reason to hate us liberals... we are the ones that will put you in jail when we catch wind of the misdeeds....(of either side)
First off, I'm not on the right. Secondly, the private sector does move to make profit, I never sadi different. Liberals are the very definition of big government. I don't say that to attack liberals. it's just a fact. Everytime a liberal politician gets the chance they expand the size of government. I never said conservatives don't do the same, but the thread is about liberalism.

The rest of your post make little sense. You want to eliminate duplication in government? So did Eisenhower, Nixon, Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama. Just goes to show you how government operates. But of course it is much better thn the private sector.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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And you have to be naive to think the FDA does a good job at making sure drugs are safe. How many people die because of prescription drugs? Didn't VIOXX kill over 50,000? Nice job FDA. How many side effects do these things have? Do any of them actaully cure anything? The government does nothing to protect us from the dangers of drugs. Neither do the drug companies.
Because the BIG DRUG COMPANIES cut deals to gut regulations for the release of new drugs. Get it? Your argument would logically lead toward stronger regulation--not less. I understand the argument that research costs are so high that more regulation would stifle the creation of new medications, but you have to find a balance with public safety.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Q-Why are liberals against limited government?
A-look how stupid they are.
That's a personal attack in violation of the terms of service. Please remove this comment.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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I think the notion that any, aside from a few radicals, think "government can solve all problems" is a caricature created by the opposition to make them look silly.

Part caricature, part long term observance.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Who gave women the right to vote:
Alice Paul fought for this and she and her group is why women have the right to vote against the Democrats that tried to keep that away from women. Alice Paul was a Quaker
There is a movie you can watch if you dont want to read it is called Iron Jawed Angels with Hillary swank and a few other top actors that depict the women getting the vote process. The DEMOCRATS were the anti women ones.
You really should educate yourself on the history of political parties. The Democrats were the conservative party of the south and the GOP was the liberal party until well into the 20th century. Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and the rest were liberals by any definition. While the shift was well underway, the Civil Rights Act signed by Lyndon Johnson is what lost the South for the Democrats, as he predicted it would.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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I'm a liberal and I'm for limited government.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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Many conservatives wish or have wished to restrict rights of women, of different religions, of minority groups, of interracial marriages... Virginia conservatives just passed a law to use government to force people to depend on cars rather than have the market-driven freedom of transportation choice. When you analyze the facts, you realize very quickly that most radical conservatives (not moderate) simply fight whatever is different from themselves - really the opposite of freedom.

If your utopian pure free market is so great, then how come it has failed so many in so many ways? Why is quality of life so much higher in nations social democracies?

I'm actually all for free markets, but they haven't proven 100% effective yet. Until then, I'll happily support well-monitored and limited government intervention.
I never said the free market provides a utopia. I also never said I was against all regulation. Or governemnt. I said the free market provides services better and cheaper than government. And there is no proof that it has failed.

Why is quality of life so ****ty in countries with big governments?

I don't have a clue as to what is going on in Virginia. I doubt they "forced" people to drive cars. There is no evidence that what you say about conservatives is true. For example, George Bush and Republicans were just in charge of government a few years ago. Please give me examples of where they restricted, or even attempted to, rights of women, minorites, interracial marriages etc... Some of then wanted to profile Muslims at airports but it never gained any traction. Other than that you can't name one thing that conservatives did to restrict rights of any certain group. Not one.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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That long ago the parties were mostly switched, the GOP was widely liberal and the Democrats (mostly from the South) were conservative. They didn't start to switch to present day form during the Civil Rights movement.
you have no idea what you are talking about.

"When the Quakers were founded...one of their principles was and is equality of the sexes. So I never had any other idea...the principle was always there."
-Alice Paul-interview, 1974

Militant Suffragettes (Paul in England)

Though Alice's upbringing was steeped in suffrage ideals, it was during her stay in England that she was transformed from a reserved Quaker girl into a militant suffragist.


National Woman's Party, Picketing and Prison
Where NAWSA (National American Women's Suffrage Association)concentrated a majority of its effort upon state campaigns, Paul wanted to focus all energy and funding upon a national amendment. While NAWSA endorsed President Wilson and looked to members of the Democratic Party as allies, Alice Paul wanted to hold Wilson and his party responsible for women's continued disenfranchisement (a tactic of British Suffragettes). In 1914, after initially forming a semi-autonomous group called the Congressional Union, Paul and her followers severed all ties to NAWSA and, in 1916, formed the National Woman's Party (NWP)

http://www.alicepaul.org/alicepaul.htm
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