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Old 03-05-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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I seem to recall him going on tour to the islamic countries to talk about how his administration wanted to work with muslims rather than against. You don't remember that?
I remember that. How is that apologizing or even a bad thing? We have a lot of Muslims in our own country so I certainly hope he wouldn't want to work against an entire religion.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Do not do a Google image search on "US torture" unless you want to see some really sad stuff.

Even on moderate, it's pretty bad.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Then again,

Prisoners were subjected to other torturous experiments such as being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death, having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism, and having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[11]
Other incidents include being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death, being placed into high-pressure chambers until death, having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival, being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead, having animal blood injected and the effects studied, being exposed to lethal doses of x-rays, having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers, being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline and being buried alive.


MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731 in exchange for providing America with their research on biological warfare.[7] American occupation authorities monitored the activities of former unit members, including reading and censoring their mail.[25]
The U.S. believed that the research data was valuable. They had conducted small-scale human experimentation on their citizens but not on such a large scale, and not with prisoners of war. The U.S. did not want other nations, particularly the Soviet Union, to acquire data on biological weapons.[26]
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Perception is everything...
Obama can't be blamed for political spin from his opponents misrepresenting what he said. The truth always wins out in the end.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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America has done more good to the world than it has done damage.

Uh...

most of the "third world dumps" in our hemisphere are dumps because we made them so. *cough Haiti, Colombia, Nicaragua, etc. cough*


The only other country that's had nearly as negative of an impact on the world as we had is Britain.
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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Colombia is not a dump ..
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Colombia is not a dump ..


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Colombia has one of the strictest stratified social systems in the world, because of that the concept of poverty could be relative.[2][clarification needed] One example of this classification can be seen in Colombia's capital Bogota. Bogota is divided into localities and regardless the actual income of an individual, a person can be socially perceived either as poor or wealthy only depending on what part of the city or locality someone lives.[citation needed] The roots of this phenomenon can be traced back to the outstanding difference in income between the poor and the rich.[citation needed] In particular, Colombia's employers are not closely observed for equality in employment and has had as a result a job market highly influenced by biased criteria from the employers such as skin color, sex, and even someone's social strata.[citation needed] This social stratification has also come with an economic expense since people that are economically stable and making a good revenue can cheat the health care system and benefit themselves from programs that are specifically made for the poor since their social classification can be deduced simply by knowing where a person lives.[citation needed] It is not clear however how the problem of social classification in Colombia can be solved. Culturally Colombians have suffered of the social stigma of social stratification and it has deeply affected the lives of many if not all Colombians.[citation needed] In this sense the media has played a role on its own. Radio and television have developed entertainment, shows and a diversity of programs basing their target audience according to their social classification. This is particularly noticeable in the big cities where the exclusive upper classes concentrate in luxurious neighborhoods that contrast with extensive areas of more humble dwellings.[citation needed]
Colombia's social strata has been divided as follows and has been extensively used by the government as a reference to develop social welfare programs, statistical information and to some degree for the assignment of lands.
  • Stratum 1 : Lowest income.
  • Stratum 2 : Low-Middle class.
  • Stratum 3 : Middle class.
  • Stratum 4 : Upper middle class.
  • Stratum 5 : Upper class.
  • Stratum 6 : Wealthy. Only the 6% of Colombians fit this category.


A CEPAL report included data about poverty in 35% of the general population and 17% extreme poverty, with an estimated 9,654,722 people living in extreme poverty.[3][verification needed]
Unemployment

Colombia has a high rate of unemployment and a work market dominated by informal jobs, with few significant prospects for the creation of new work opportunities.[citation needed] The National Department of Statistics in its current[citation needed] report, points out that the unemployment index in the 7 main cities in the country is above 8.6%, for about 3.7 million Colombians of working age.[citation needed] About 32% of the people who do have work don’t have any formal work contract, nor access to the healthcare system. 48% of the Colombian work force derive their income from small scale informal economy such as street vendors and garbage recyclers.[citation needed] The unemployment situation in Colombia has been described by the CEPAL general secretary, José Antonio Ocampo, as “dramatic”.[4]
Inequality

Colombia's Gini coefficient (a measurement of inequality in wealth distribution) was 0.51 in 2000 and 0.56 in 2006, making it the second-most unequal country in Latin America terms of wealth distribution, after Brazil.[citation needed] By 2009, Colombia had reached a Gini coefficient of 0.587, which was the highest in Latin America
Economic recession




Since the late 1990s, many important economic sectors in Colombia have experienced economic recession, worsening the poverty situation in the country. The most affected sectors are the agricultural, manufacturing, transportation and building industries, which are the main sources of employment in the country.[citation needed] The global growth of these economic sectors, compared with the population growth in the same period gives an index of 0.7, indicating a larger growth in the number of people needing jobs than the number of employment positions on offer.


Malnutrition

See also: Aguapanela#socioeconomic issues
Over 500 000 children under 5 years old (about 13%) in Colombia suffer from acute malnutrition and up to 15% suffer from chronic malnutrition, the most affected areas being Boyacá and Nariño Department.

Poverty in Colombia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Sounds like a dump to me. The saving grace is its literacy rate (92%).




Just because its impoverished doesn't mean there aren't good qualities but when more than a fifth of your population is living on a dollar a day its not a good thing.
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Uh...

most of the "third world dumps" in our hemisphere are dumps because we made them so. *cough Haiti, Colombia, Nicaragua, etc. cough*


The only other country that's had nearly as negative of an impact on the world as we had is Britain.
Haiti was ruled by the French way before America was America.

Why leave out the Dutch or the French for they way 3rd world countries are they way they are? What has America done to them to make them "that way"?
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:41 PM
 
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Obama aside, the U.S. has a whole list of egregious international actions where an apology wouldn't be unwarranted, at the vary least.
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Old 03-05-2011, 10:43 PM
 
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Perception is everything...
The perception is a figment of your fetid reactionary imagination.
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Old 03-05-2011, 11:50 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Haiti was ruled by the French way before America was America.

Why leave out the Dutch or the French for they way 3rd world countries are they way they are? What has America done to them to make them "that way"?


Something tells me you don't know we occupied them for 20 years and that we instated their worst dictator ever (Duvalier) and we helped fund their back-to-back military coups in the 80's. When they actually had a ghost of a chance with coming back with Jean Bertrand Aristide in the 90's the CIA "disappeared" him for a decade until he took stances on foreign policy that were uncannily similar to Duvalier's. We also stop damn near every Haitian who applies for political asylum from crossing into our borders with the stark contrast of the (literally) thousands of Cubans who do so successfully every year.


Europe and America in general have a lot to do with why Africa and Latin America are for the most part broke.
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