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I never said I was or was not a liberal. You're putting words in my mouth. My political views aren't relevant to this thread.
What is government? People. God talks about giving to the poor, He talks about churches giving to those in need. The Bible also never commands Christians to lobby governments to enforce Christian morality on non-believers, but conservatives have no problem with that.
Do you really think people would give to charity instead of buying those third yachts or taking exotic vacations?
Why are you making the false assumption that all conservatives are Christians?
Capitalism sucks. Period. I know that may sound shocking, but it's true -- at least of unregulated, laissez-faire "free market" capitalism. It screws the poor and middle class out of a decent living, while enriching the corporations that send our jobs overseas and making the fat cats even fatter. It is a disgusting, evil system based upon greed and avarice. It is based on the lust for more, more, MORE while stopping at nothing to feed that desire.
In a capitalist system, corporate execs will slash thousands of American jobs to add a few pennies to their annual bonuses. They will send skilled jobs to China and Cambodia, laying off American workers and forcing children to work in sweatshops for pennies per day. These soulless organizations will sell out American workers to save a pittance, reaping record profits while we grow more and more desperate. If people here are fortunate enough to keep their jobs, they'll see their wages slashed, pensions cut and benefits scaled back. When unions try to stand up for workers rights, the government moves in to bust the unions in the name of "saving money" (look at what's happening in Wisconsin). However, raising taxes on the rich and corporations is out of the question. The government gives corporate behemoths tax breaks and exemptions and even bailouts while cutting essential services like education and unemployment benefits. It is disgusting.
It's not just about jobs either. Take healthcare. A man works hard, goes to college, and gets a good job with health benefits. If he loses his "good job," he'll be out of luck, becoming one of the millions of uninsured Americans. At least in almost any other developed country, you don't have to worry about lacking health insurance because you lose your job. Also, what of all the people with pre-existing conditions - the private health insurance companies look for ways to deny them.
People keep talking about "high taxes" and how they don't want to pay taxes. I really don't get this. I'd rather pay higher taxes and get better services than save money on taxes and have to fight the corporate machine to get essential services like healthcare. I'd rather tax the living crap out of the rich and corporations to ensure everyone gets a free education, a living-wage job, a home, unlimited unemployment insurance and guaranteed access to free or very low-cost healthcare and prescription drugs.
we havent had capitolism here in the USA for the last 60 years
what we have is progressive fascism
""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini (father of fascism)
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"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
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"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
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all you have to do is connect the dots
Right-wing extremists have some very dangerous ideas and can be very dangerous people. I see more hate, and repulsive name calling, by right-wingers than anyone else anywhere. .
Obviously you've been to college. You've swallowed the leftie mantra completely.
Isn't Econ 101 the lowest, most basic level?
Well said.
LOL This sorta reminds me of that classic observation of George Orwell. Something along the lines of:
"There are some things only an intellectual can believe. No ordinary man could be such a damn fool."
I like to trot that one out when some condecending, supercilious, "progressive", starts talking about the averege IQ of self-identified liberals being higher than that of the average conservative.
Hey, Dr. Harvard Phd Dumbass? You got all answers? Then fix your own plumbing problem!
You also had banks to borrow loans from... nowadays the market is looking a lot different. Whether or not the US will fully recover remains to be seen.
Then get creative. MAKE it happen.
Once thing is certain - if you don't try, it definitely won't happen.
It all as to do with greed - actually the Love of Money. When I say greed, I mean EVERYONE's greed - even to poor! How can you say the rich are evil when so many of the poor are amittedly aspiring to the same station?
Corporations are fleeing this country because of out of control regulation by the government. That same government that you want to hand control of this country to? I don't think so.
I don't really buy that, they're leaving b/c workers at least have some protections still here unlike Asia.
Most Americans expect (and rightfully so) a fair wage for a day's work, healthcare benefits, vacation time, sick time, etc. These make for a decent quality of life.
The Chinese will work 18 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week for these wages in sweatshops and the only "benefits" they might get are two 5-minute bathroom breaks per day. Conditions are so bad that suicide starts to look better than going to work: Firm shaken by suicides - Los Angeles Times
The jobs will come back to America when the elite have finally reached their goals of busting unions, repealing the minimum wage, child labor laws, etc. The fight going on in Wisconsin is not about workers being greedy, it's about workers fighting for their rights not to be exploited. I support the pro-union crowd in WI, not because I'm a union worker, I support them with future generations in mind. I have a 15-month old son and I don't want to ever see him or his children have to work in the same conditions the Chinese do now.
It all as to do with greed - actually the Love of Money. When I say greed, I mean EVERYONE's greed - even to poor! How can you say the rich are evil when so many of the poor are amittedly aspiring to the same station?
Which is why, of course, that free-market capitalism is the most "moral" system possible.
The reason why the "liberal" outlook is faulty -- and will always fail -- is that it proceeds from a naively optomistic vision of human nature. Whereas, conservatives know instinctively that human nature is inherently greedy, self-centered, etc. Therefore, they (we) deal with the facts of life as they really are...not how we might wish upon a star, they could be. It follows from that premise that the best system possible is one which channels that "greed" into one which works for the benefit of all concerned. Adam Smith in "Wealth of Nations" articulated it best. He had no great love (in fact, he despised the breed), what we now know as Big Business and the Rothchilds and Rockefellers.
No, he simply recognized a great truth in that, whatever the evils might be, it was much, much, preferable to one controlled by government (i.e. a select few with their minions of pencil head bureaucrats).
"The statesman who should attempt to direct people in what manner the ought to employ their own capitals, would not only load himself with a most unnecessary attention, but assume an authority which could safely be trusted, not only to no single person, but to no council or senate whatever, and which would nowhere be so dangerous as in the hands of a man who had the folly and presumption enough to fancy himself fit to excercise it."
In modern day and less windy parlance, it translates into those who presume themselves capable of managing other peoples business and social arrangements (as many on the left do indeed presume) are not only arrogant fools, but dangerous arrogant fools.
Off on a bit of a tangent, here is a great column by Thomas Sowell on the general subject:
Lets see if I follow the idea here ... I work hard while in school, go on to college and graduate top of my class, and upon graduating I get paid no more than someone that dropped out of high-school at 15 years old. No more income than is required for a basic lifestyle. Everyone's house is the same size. Everyone drives basically the same car.
God talks about giving to the poor, He talks about churches giving to those in need. The Bible also never commands Christians to lobby governments to enforce Christian morality on non-believers, but conservatives have no problem with that.
Do you really think people would give to charity instead of buying those third yachts or taking exotic vacations?
He also doesn't talk about taking money from workers to give to the poor. He talks about voluntarily giving to the poor, which we should all do.
The problem with Democrats is they think charity is giving other people's money to the poor. That's not charity and it's not showing empathy. That's theft.
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