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Old 03-06-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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Yeah it only works on kids... stupid kids... and sometimes stupid adults believe in that too... free everything... that's what liberalism is all about... we grow money on trees over here...
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Here
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Fascism is right-wing corporatism. The Tea Party -- that's fascism.
With each post come more insanity.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Fascism is right-wing corporatism. The Tea Party -- that's fascism.
The Tea Party which stands for less government means "fascism" to you... oh lord... you do sure like to make up things...
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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The U.S. has one of the highest crime rates of all developed countries. Norway and Denmark have some of the lowest crime rates.

Yes, they have higher taxes and COL, but they also have higher wages, free healthcare, free college, unlimited unemployment benefits and non-corrupt governments.
Keep in mind that those nordic countries are smaller countries. Denmark and Sweden have about 5 million people to deal with so their governments can more easily provide services for their smaller population.

Denmark is starting to experince issues with their system.

How the welfare state broke the national economy
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Keep in mind that those nordic countries are smaller countries. Denmark and Sweden have about 5 million people to deal with so their governments can more easily provide services for their smaller population.

Denmark is starting to experince issues with their system.

How the welfare state broke the national economy
Don't worry money grows on trees and then we will get rich people from poor third world immigrants who can't speak our language to come over and poof! Liberal heaven back again kids...
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Capitalism sucks. Period. I know that may sound shocking, but it's true -- at least of unregulated, laissez-faire "free market" capitalism. It screws the poor and middle class out of a decent living, while enriching the corporations that send our jobs overseas and making the fat cats even fatter. It is a disgusting, evil system based upon greed and avarice. It is based on the lust for more, more, MORE while stopping at nothing to feed that desire.

In a capitalist system, corporate execs will slash thousands of American jobs to add a few pennies to their annual bonuses. They will send skilled jobs to China and Cambodia, laying off American workers and forcing children to work in sweatshops for pennies per day. These soulless organizations will sell out American workers to save a pittance, reaping record profits while we grow more and more desperate. If people here are fortunate enough to keep their jobs, they'll see their wages slashed, pensions cut and benefits scaled back. When unions try to stand up for workers rights, the government moves in to bust the unions in the name of "saving money" (look at what's happening in Wisconsin). However, raising taxes on the rich and corporations is out of the question. The government gives corporate behemoths tax breaks and exemptions and even bailouts while cutting essential services like education and unemployment benefits. It is disgusting.

It's not just about jobs either. Take healthcare. A man works hard, goes to college, and gets a good job with health benefits. If he loses his "good job," he'll be out of luck, becoming one of the millions of uninsured Americans. At least in almost any other developed country, you don't have to worry about lacking health insurance because you lose your job. Also, what of all the people with pre-existing conditions - the private health insurance companies look for ways to deny them.

People keep talking about "high taxes" and how they don't want to pay taxes. I really don't get this. I'd rather pay higher taxes and get better services than save money on taxes and have to fight the corporate machine to get essential services like healthcare. I'd rather tax the living crap out of the rich and corporations to ensure everyone gets a free education, a living-wage job, a home, unlimited unemployment insurance and guaranteed access to free or very low-cost healthcare and prescription drugs.
Excellent post. Capitalism is fine, but it needs to be regulated. Without regulation, Conservatives will strive to enrich the rich and protect their unearned privilege. Damn everyone else. It is why Republicans are no longer a viable political power as they represent one big WMD.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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The Tea Party which stands for less government means "fascism" to you... oh lord... you do sure like to make up things...
The Tea Party does not stand for less government. It stands for no government for the rich and corporations, no social aid for the poor and tight government controls on individuals' personal lives.
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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The Tea Party does not stand for less government. It stands for no government for the rich and corporations, no social aid for the poor and tight government controls on individuals' personal lives.
Really, because its obvious you aren't bias about the whole movement... what insanity are you talking about... nobody wants what you just said and to say that's what they want... you aren't talking to kids... you aren't fooling anyone...
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: 22 months till retirement and I can leave the hell hole of New Yakistan
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Fascism is right-wing corporatism. The Tea Party -- that's fascism.
wrong fascism is lefty...its a form of socialism, which stems from marxism

communism, fascism, socoialism..all stem from marxism..and the progressive movement of the 1880's...which is exactly what todays american 'liberals' are

fascism is also called corporatism

Corporatism, also known as corporativism, is a system of economic, political, or social organization that views a community as a body based upon organic social solidarity and functional distinction and roles among individuals. The term corporatism is based on the Latin word "corpus" meaning "body". Formal corporatist models are based upon the contract of corporate groups, such as agricultural, business, ethnic, labor, military, patronage, scientific, or religious affiliations, into a collective body

a corporation is a union...unions are a corporation...all is fascism

unions...usually backed by the globalist progressive fascist liberals have helped in some areas (child labor laws, etc) but their sole intent is to 'socialize' the united states, to either "nationalize" the entire country and its corporations (main stream socialist way), or to so over regulate the corporations (the fascist way)

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners by way of UNIONS. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically through unions. State ministries or unions, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.



""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini


Mussolini was the son of a blacksmith and village school teacher who had been a Socialist party leader and radical newspaper editor before the war.

As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.

He also created fascist labor unions, and therefore He controlled labor

Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, bush1, clinton, cheney and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""


Corporatism aka fascism owing to the corporatist structures created by Mussolini's regime as well as in the latter years of the Third Reich under Albert Speer's direction. Corporatism was viewed by some as an appropriate strategy to prevent worker unrest, as well as a potentially and effective economic strategy. Franklin D. Roosevelt was one such proponent. While Roosevelt was not dictator- he declared a loathing for authoritarianism - his liberal corporatism was part of his vision for a "third way", reflected in the New Deal.

The events of the Great Depression resulted in an international surge of fascism and the creation of multiple fascist regimes and regimes that adopted fascist policies. The most important new fascist regime was Nazi Germany (National Socialists), under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. With the rise of Hitler and the Nazis to power in 1933, and the Nazis mobilized the country for war, with expansionist territorial aims against multiple countries.

During the Great Depression, Mussolini promoted active state intervention in the economy. He denounced the contemporary "supercapitalism" that he claimed began in 1914 as a failure due to its alleged decadence, support for unlimited consumerism and intention to create the "standardization of humankind". However, Mussolini claimed that the industrial developments of earlier "heroic capitalism" were valuable and continued to support private property as long as it was productive. With the onset of the Great Depression, Fascist Italy began large-scale state intervention into the economy, establishing the Institute for Industrial Reconstruction (Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale, IRI), a giant state-owned firm and holding company that provided state funding to failing private enterprises. The IRI was made a permanent institution in Fascist Italy in 1937, pursued Fascist policies to create national autarky, and had the power to take over private firms to maximize war production. Nazi Germany similarly pursued an economic agenda with the aims of autarky and rearmament and imposed protectionist policies, including forcing the German steel industry to use lower-quality German iron ore rather than superior-quality imported iron.

Fascists opposed the laissez-faire economic policies that were dominant in the era prior to the Great Depression. After the Great Depression began, many people from across the political spectrum blamed laissez-faire capitalism, and fascists promoted their ideology as a "third way" between capitalism and communism.

Fascists declared their opposition to finance capitalism, interest charging, and profiteering. Nazis and other anti-Semitic fascists considered finance capitalism a "parasitic" "Jewish conspiracy". Fascist governments introduced price controls, wage controls and other types of economic interventionist measures.

Benito Mussolini promised a "social revolution" that would "remake" the Italian people. According to Patricia Knight, this was only achieved in part. The people who primarily benefited from Italian fascist social policies were members of the midde and lower-middle classes, who filled jobs in the vastly expanded government workforce, which grew from about 500,000 to 1,000,000 jobs in 1930 alone. Health and welfare spending grew dramatically under Italian fascism, with welfare rising from 7% of the budget in 1930 to 20% in 1940


ever heard of the socialist Fabian Society...the beginning of the liberal reforms..ie the progressives.....

ever heard of HG wells.. a member of the Fabian society

During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of ‘liberal fascism’ whereby the Wellsian ‘liberal’ utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the ‘open conspiracy’ of the 1920s. in fact The term “liberal fascism” comes from a speech made by author H. G. Wells when he told a group of Young Liberals at Oxford that Progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.”

fascism has a long history in American politics, spanning back to Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. You can even finds fascist tendencies within the presidencies of John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton as each tried to create an “all-caring, all-powerful, all-encompassing” state. And you can see more recent signs of fascist ideology in the economic ideas of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Al Gore.


Joseph Stalin, the General Secretary of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union, found it beneficial to label all ideas which he did not agree with as fascist; this included socialists who were disloyal to Moscow and, of course, the political right. Those loyal to his social doctrine also began to see communism and fascism on opposite ends when, yet, both are in fact socialist in nature.

Liberal Fascism is different from fascism of the past because today’s left are pacifists rather than militarists; their plan is to nanny, not to bully. Still, this method can be just as politically hazardous.

“Simply because the nanny state wants to hug you doesn’t mean it’s not tyrannical when you don’t want to be hugged,”
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Old 03-06-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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This is exactly why corporations are unethical and evil. Personally, I think corporations shouldn't exist.

.................... and we should all live as hunters and gatherers.
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