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Old 03-08-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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However, I will ask you how it is you think the Ma and Pa shop (revolution if there was one) can not enter into the competition if they so desire under our current economic system, which capitalism is very much a part? Now remember, Sam Walton, use to have one, count them, one, "five and dime" store many moons ago. It was family owned and operated and if I'm not mistaken, Walmart still is, family owned, now, a corporation.
Sam Walton is dead. Your point would be valid if his family started on the same footing as a mom and pa trying to get business started. Businesses don't like competitions, and mega corporations have ways and the means to suppress them.

Starting a business is no big deal, to be able to compete is a whole other issue. And when times are bad, it is usually the starters, the small businesses that are put to rest, and well ahead of the giants (unless they were grossly mismanaged).

People can find high quality produce at a neighborhood family owned market. Yet, more of them flock to Walmart. Why? And how often do you hear about massive opposition to a new Walmart in a neighborhood previously served by small enterprises? Never, I can safely assume?
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Old 03-08-2011, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro
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Keep buying the propaganda!
Tell me why you can't succeed in business if you desire to start one. And I have gotten no response to any of my other posts to you, still waiting on answers to those...but I'm not holding my breath. I make too many valid points for you to address.
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I can't speak for anyone else, but in my opinion, you identify legitimate issues but are missing the real cause. It's not "Capitalism" that is operating here. This is a Plutocracy operating under various disguises ... here the disguise is "Free Market Capitalism", while in other places it is called Fascism ... or ... Communism .... or Socialism .... it's all run by the same plutocracy, and has been that way long before you were born.

We've seen glimpses of what true "free markets" can produce, and it has proven far superior to any other system ... yet, behind the scenes, the plutocracy remains in charge, and it is they who create the boom and bust cycles which could be characterized as a form of "economic/industrial farming". These manipulators are the problem, and their game is a very old one that has been operating long before you or I were born.

So even if you had the means, don't bother running off to Europe in search of economic justice and fairness ... because that is the seat of this plutocracy ... specifically, London. And you, like most, are completely unaware of the real world that exists, and have been living under a total illusion.

By the turn of the century (1900), it was estimated that the Rothschild family was worth as much as 500 Trillion Dollars ... over half of the wealth of the entire planet .... and I'd be willing to bet they've advanced well beyond that over the last 100 years. Do you realize the significance of this? Their wealth exceeds the total US National Dept by a factor of at least 30 or more times. And that 14 Trillion US debt is owed to them, all of it, odious debt that is steeped in fraud and racketeering, and should be defaulted on, while seizing the Federal Reserve and reclaiming their assets as stolen wealth. Of course, that could only happen with a legitimate government operating the US ... instead of their owned agents.

They own or share ownership of everything of any significance, including the Bank of England, the World Bank, the IMF, the Federal Reserve, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and anyone else of any significance. They've amassed Hundreds of Trillions of Gold which they keep in their underground vaults, all of it collected through their various banking schemes, their funding of wars (both sides) and their total domination of the worldwide financial system. They are the "Globalists", and the various entities pushing for the Global Economy ... the One World Government or NWO all work for them.

And you cannot defeat an enemy that doesn't even exist in the public's perception ... and that's precisely why they've gone to such lengths to remain invisible, hiding behind their multitudes of corporate entities who are in reality, their agents.

Now, we can sit back here and watch the clueless come out of the woodwork claiming "Conspiracy Theory!!!"

It certainly is a conspiracy, but it's a fact, not a theory. And it is well documented, though not something you are likely to see discussed on the mainstream news ..... they own that too.
I don't believe in any of that conspiracy theory stuff. It's ludicrous. I don't mean any offense by this, but I really think it sounds delusional.
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Tell me why you can't succeed in business if you desire to start one. And I have gotten no response to any of my other posts to you, still waiting on answers to those...but I'm not holding my breath. I make too many valid points for you to address.
Succeeding in business is all about three things:

1) Luck

2) Who you know

3) Debt or Gift Cash (see number 2)

I'm not willing to go deep in to debt to expand my side business, at least right now. I don't know anybody "important" or rich enough to give/loan me money. And I'm generally not a lucky person.

Plus, I'm trying to bring down this unequitable and unethical system. Why would I want to join in and become a corporate slave master?
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro
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If the idea is to "win" at something, it always implies there is somebody being beaten. War is a competitive behavior too but that doesn't make it a healthy part of human psychology. The lower animals compete over territory and food and we consider them a lower species for this behavior. Solitary animals compete within their own species for territory and food even more than group species do and as a result they are unable to maintain large groups amongst their species, can die at the hands of members of their own species and are less able to defend themselves. All because they compete with members of their own species. If they suddenly stopped this behavior we would say they have civilized but when we ourselves engage in competitive behavior we say it's "normal". You fail to see what's wrong with our competitive behavior the same way most lower animals fail to what's wrong with theirs.

Ok.
Yes, there are no two people or two companies that are exactly alike. One will always be better than another, leaving one to be worse. We all have strengths and weaknesses, some more than others. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Companies are run by human beings, and thus take on the humanistic qualities of their owners (risk-taking, social empathy, conservative ideals, environmentally conscious, whatever), which makes them all uniquely positioned and advantaged or disadvantaged when it comes to their business plans and strategies. Look at savants, they are socially retarded but are extremely intelligent and sometimes gifted at music, enough for them to make a good living, better than you or I, someone who has better social skills. Maybe that example doesn't help you but that's the only way I can think to explain it. Competition is completely natural and healthy given the vast disparity of our personalities and qualities.

War is not a competitive behavior and is beside the point.

We don't consider "lower animals" to be lower for the fact that they compete over territory and prey, we consider them lower b/c they lack conscious understanding, complex feelings and higher thinking skills...all things humans have because our brains are more developed.

I would never say an animal is civilized, that term is reserved for humans only.

This entire post has not proven your point still...and I STILL FAIL TO SEE HOW COMPETITION IS A BAD THING.
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro
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Competition is not a bad thing when the results benefit more than just one selfish, greedy person or group.
Competition under capitalism means that humans are degraded to animals that viciously battle each other for a few crumbs just to survive.
Instead of enjoying life many are struggling just to get by.
So, the choice is; cultivate human qualities, or emphasize cruelty, brutality, greed, selfishness, and ruthlessness, which are capitalism's definition of competition.
Competition benefits pretty much everyone.

For the company "winning": More profits = more jobs, better dividends to stakeholders, increase in pay/benefits to the workers, more money to invest in the company to keep improving the product

For the company "losing": Fewer profits = more incentive to create a better product and stay competitive (or lower their price and hope that the quantity sold will make up the difference in profit margin), employees working harder toward the common goal of more profits (revamping marketing efforts, shifting focus to something else, being more creative in R&D)

For the consumer: Ability to purchase a better product, perhaps at a cheaper price, perhaps with a warranty of some kind, to create more utility value in his/her life

Whether you want to see it or not, competition is good. The only way it is not good is when a company fails and the owners lose their investments, and the employees lose their jobs. It happens but usually it's b/c the company has failed to be competitive in the marketplace so demand for their product is not enough to keep the business afloat.
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro
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I'll tell it like it is. For those of us who are NOT rich, and who did NOT make fortunes in the 1960s and 70s when we still had a sensible economic system, this country SUCKS. It sucks for poor and middle-class people. It SUCKS. There is NO real opportunity anymore -- this is not 1955, or even 1970. The "land of opportunity" moved to Canada, Europe, Brazil and China. The "American Dream" is now the "Norwegian Dream." America is now the land of corporate despots and their paid government shills. It is a big scam -- a Ponzi scheme -- the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If immigration to Europe or Canada wasn't so restrictive, I would be gone yesterday.
Speak for yourself. I'm middle class and have the opposing view. As you probably know from my posts in the last few months, my husband was just given the opportunity (through years of hard work and increasing profits for the company he worked for) to be part owner of a new restaurant. Do you not consider that a REAL opportunity? Or do you just choose to ignore the fact that hard work can pay off if you play your cards right?
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Competition benefits pretty much everyone.

For the company "winning": More profits = more jobs, better dividends to stakeholders, increase in pay/benefits to the workers, more money to invest in the company to keep improving the product
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About a year ago, a certain locale, not far from where I live, had a Home Depot and across from it two large nurseries. One, family owned and another is a chain. One of the businesses, that had superior and unique nursery products, is gone. That was my preferred place to shop. Would you like to guess which one?
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Atlanta metro
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Personally, I think corporations should be abolished. If someone wants to start a business, it should be as a sole proprietorship or partnership -- where the owners' personal assets are liable.
You do that and you drastically reduce the number of new businesses. There goes innovation. You really do want this country to end up like Cuba, don't you?
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Old 03-08-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You do that and you drastically reduce the number of new businesses. There goes innovation. You really do want this country to end up like Cuba, don't you?
Innovations usually come from small businesses and individuals, rarely from large corporations. In fact, through out my career, I have had the most opportunity to contribute with an outside the box thinking in a small company than in a large.

If you think large corporations are the way to go... well, I hope there are fewer people who think the way you do.
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