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Old 03-08-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Contrary to devout capitalist's beliefs, there are still some people who will create new technology, conduct medical research or make improvements to social infrastructures for sheer enjoyment, curiosity, self-edification, or for the betterment of mankind.
Of course there are. For example in the old Soviet Union some engineers and scientists were designing rocket engines even in the gulags.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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Human value is not defined by how much money a person can make or how much she can contribute to the capitalist machine.
How do you define human value?
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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How do you define human value?
I believe human value is inherent -- all people have equal value because all are created in the image of God. Everyone, from the billionaire CEO to the intellectually disabled child has equal value and worth.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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Human value is not defined by how much money a person can make or how much she can contribute to the capitalist machine.
You've been actually advocating for an ideology of dehumanization in this thread.
For example you want to abolish corporations, but who work for corporations. That's right people.
The word "corporation" derives from corpus, the Latin word for body, or a "body of people."
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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I believe human value is inherent -- all people have equal value because all are created in the image of God. Everyone, from the billionaire CEO to the intellectually disabled child has equal value and worth.
What about a mass murderer?
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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What about a mass murderer?
Same value. He still deserves to be punished for his actions, but all humans have inherent worth. No one is worthless.

This is way, way off-topic. What does this have to do with capitalism?

I feel that capitalism, by the way, dehumanizes people. It reduces them to a number and a dollar sign.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Some T-1 Line
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1) I don't believe in luck. Opportunities are what you make of them. As a fellow Christian, I think you would agree that God sets opportunities in front of us at the right time, and it's up to us to take them or leave them. That is not luck.
I really shouldn't touch this subject in this thread, as it may cause serious digression, but I can't resist.

No disrespect to you, but isn't a "capitalist Christian" an oxymoron?

I seriously doubt that Jesus and company were capitalists. In fact, from what I know of the Bible (as I will admit that I am not an aficionado), Jesus' teachings were the opposite of capitalism.

To avoid deviation in this thread, I will start a new thread on this topic and let you know when it is posted.

No disrespect intended. Be well.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I believe human value is inherent -- all people have equal value because all are created in the image of God. Everyone, from the billionaire CEO to the intellectually disabled child has equal value and worth.
The problem with your example, while righteous I'm sure, is that it's not a value but an equality of living. Everyone is equal as far as being alive, and that is where any similarity ends. Like it or not there are people who value life more, or less, than others do. Some people were born to be bums while others excel in life.

How does socialism balance the tendencies of 10-35% of the population that inherently takes advantage of the system? What would you do about the guy who says "why should I work" when he knows he'll have a bed and a meal through the efforts of the others? What happens when people grow old and can no longer work? This is why socialism fails. We aren't cut from a cookie sheet, we are all unique and different. Socialism says one size fits all and it simply doesn't work.

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I seriously doubt that Jesus and company were capitalists. In fact, from what I know of the Bible (as I will admit that I am not an aficionado), Jesus' teachings were the opposite of capitalism.
Actually, Jesus was a capitolist. The story of the three servants? You really should google it and read how it teaches you to invest wisely to make a profit rather than burying your money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable...lents_or_minas

There ya go
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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Human value is not defined by how much money a person can make or how much she can contribute to the capitalist machine.
Nobody said value is defined that way. But the ability to survive is.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:43 PM
 
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Same value. He still deserves to be punished for his actions, but all humans have inherent worth. No one is worthless.

This is way, way off-topic. What does this have to do with capitalism?

I feel that capitalism, by the way, dehumanizes people. It reduces them to a number and a dollar sign.
You brought up the "all are created in the image of God" which has nothing to do with the discussion.

Okay, you're basically saying that a lazy bum and a successful businessman have to be of the same value to society. Well, then what is the incentive to succeed in life?
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