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Old 03-07-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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I'm not a lion expert. I'm too busy working, watching kids, cooking, etc, etc.

However let's not let my obvious lack of lion knowledge throw you off my point. The point is, after the roles blended together, we lost it.

What is "it"? The "American Dream". What used to be hope for the future now resides in history books, along with traditional roles.

Women have not "advanced". They've changed. Men have not "evolved". We got stuck with the cooking while mommy had to go prove she could do the same job at 80% of the salary. Nice going mom.

So now we both have to work outside, as well as inside the home, just to make the SAME living we made 60 years ago.

In accounting they call that a "net loss".
Are you male or female?

*edited* re-read your post and see that you are a male. You sound somewhat bitter.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Are you male or female?
That kinda makes my point huh? 60 years ago, when work ended 34 minutes ago, you wouldn't have had to ask that question.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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That kinda makes my point huh? 60 years ago, when work ended 34 minutes ago, you wouldn't have had to ask that question.
Not necessarily. There were plenty of working (outside the home) women in the early fifties. Leave it to Beaver wasn't a documentary, it was a sitcom.
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Old 03-07-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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Not necessarily. There were plenty of working (outside the home) women in the early fifties. Leave it to Beaver wasn't a documentary, it was a sitcom.
"Plenty" would not have been the word to use before WWII. That's what started it.

...and I'm talking about women, not girls in their 20's. Obviously every woman has to work if they're single. I'm not saying women shouldn't have the RIGHT to work. I'm saying that they should have the RIGHT to raise a family.

Given our current economic structure, brought on by too many PEOPLE in the workplace, women no longer have the right to raise a family. It's an option left only to the privileged.

Think about it. What would happen if every woman in the United States just said "Y'know what? I'm done." and quit their jobs? Men would be paid more, production would decrease, as it should, and people could get back to LIVING.

Living? Well that's something most folks only do for a few hours each week these days.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:04 PM
 
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"Plenty" would not have been the word to use before WWII. That's what started it.

...and I'm talking about women, not girls in their 20's. Obviously every woman has to work if they're single. I'm not saying women shouldn't have the RIGHT to work. I'm saying that they should have the RIGHT to raise a family.

Given our current economic structure, brought on by too many PEOPLE in the workplace, women no longer have the right to raise a family. It's an option left only to the privileged.

Think about it. What would happen if every woman in the United States just said "Y'know what? I'm done." and quit their jobs? Men would be paid more, production would decrease, as it should, and people could get back to LIVING.

Living? Well that's something most folks only do for a few hours each week these days.
I know that it's easy to look back at a time that we idealize in our minds and wish that things were as simple as they seemed back then. But the reality of those times is very different, really. During the "settling" of the American West, women worked alongside men doing much of the same things. During the Great Depression, it was commonplace for men to leave their wives and children to fend for themselves while they went on the road trying to find work.

In an ideal world, people of either gender "should" have the opportunity to stay home and raise a family.

But don't kid yourself that before the 2nd WW, life was an idyllic paradise due to clearly defined gender roles.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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I know that it's easy to look back at a time that we idealize in our minds and wish that things were as simple as they seemed back then. But the reality of those times is very different, really. During the "settling" of the American West, women worked alongside men doing much of the same things. During the Great Depression, it was commonplace for men to leave their wives and children to fend for themselves while they went on the road trying to find work.

In an ideal world, people of either gender "should" have the opportunity to stay home and raise a family.

But don't kid yourself that before the 2nd WW, life was an idyllic paradise due to clearly defined gender roles.
Somewhere in there we also lost the ability to generalize.

Generally, women did not work prior to WWII. Hell, they didn't work very much prior to Vietnam either.

Whereas now? Women must work in order for most families to survive.

So please don't kid yourself. That is nothing more than a fairytale of feminism. Women 50 years ago didn't work even half as much as they do now, outside the home.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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Somewhere in there we also lost the ability to generalize.

Generally, women did not work prior to WWII. Hell, they didn't work very much prior to Vietnam either.

Whereas now? Women must work in order for most families to survive.

So please don't kid yourself. That is nothing more than a fairytale of feminism. Women 50 years ago didn't work even half as much as they do now, outside the home.
"""Generally, women did not work prior to WWII. Hell, they didn't work very much prior to Vietnam either."""


PUHleeese! Find a book ...a history book, several books, lots of books... about what women DID in history.

You will be shocked! And made smarter!!! Women have worked forever!
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Can we just have a president that can do his/her job right? I'm tired of this stupid "OH EM GEE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, OH EM GEE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT". How about a "OH EM GEE, A PRESIDENT THAT ACTUALLY DOES THE JOB CORRECTLY"

That is the only way Democrats can compete with the GOP. They sure can't compete on the EXPERIENCE scale.
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:55 PM
 
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If she was tough and better than Obama (which would be easy) yes!
We need someone who knows how to be a leader, already. It doesn't matter the gender or race, it matters the person. We need a good person to be a president.
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