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Old 03-07-2011, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Lol, I missed the memo ordaining these folks as the heart and soul of the conservative movement. More grasping at straws from the left. It is pretty funny.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I agree. Put on your man pants, pay your taxes, and make the generation that caused this budget deficit make the sacrifices. Not the children, they shouldn't pay for it now or later.
Hey great idea, keep spending everyone elses money until there ain't none left! When will the wacky lefties understand you eventually run out of other peoples money. Hey, here is a novel idea. Only spend as much as you take in!
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Worser and worser. R-E-C-A-L-L Recall drives could make history - JSOnline
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Just heard Gov Walker on CNN. He is still in denial of what is going on.
Translation. He still intends to stand up for the tax payer against the union fat cats.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Worser and worser. R-E-C-A-L-L Recall drives could make history - JSOnline
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Formal recall campaigns have now been launched against 16 state senators - eight Republicans and eight Democrats.
Evenly split. WI civil war? That's what happens when the union boss fat cats pit themselves against the taxpayers, and the rank and file function as the union's useful idiots.

God forbid the union boss fat cats give up their $100 million take from the WI taxpayers.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Guess what, if unions aren't backing down, neither are
the taxpayers that live there. I can't wait until the Union's gravy train is over - I want to see them lick the bowl

Unions have no place in public sector.
I don't care how long they've been around. There are
so many labor protection laws on the books now - there's nothing left to collective bargain EXCEPT wages, pensions, health insurance premiums and if your state is broke there IS nothing to discuss.
And there we have it folks right from the horses mouth. "I want to see them lick the bowl". What a statement that is. The desire to drive down professional public servants to the same level of all those other "Bowl lickers" that have no power or influence in their daily grind to keep body and soul together. It's just so sad that these type of sentiments are common. What is it that causes this? Jealousy of a middle income? Covetousness, because they would like the same conditions for themselves? What???, I just can't figure it out at all!

Usually these same people also want to give those have it all, even more. Reduce their taxes, unregulate them, get rid of any employment standards.
Meanwhile these oligarchs are selling the country out completely. Offshoring as many good American jobs as they can. Destroying the economy with their greed and carelessness. What the big unregulated banks have cost the country would probably finance education forever.

"If your state is broke there is nothing to discuss". Well you had better discuss it because if the power of the people remain usurped by the corporate interests every state will be broke.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: FL
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Mmmmmm no you did't even rEad my post.

It was a quote from the journal Sentinal reporting on Walkers plan and the WEA response. Are you suggesting they made this up? Why are you having such a hard time with this?
When did Walker say it???? Why are you having such a problem with this?
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:01 PM
 
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An interesting comparison:
The Michigan Experience | The Weekly Standard

"As in Wisconsin, these events prompted an initial period of political backlash. Engler’s approval ratings fell far below Walker’s (into the 20s as I recall), and the experts rated his chances for re-election as slim to none.
Engler and Michigan Republican legislators were faced with the same choice that Scott Walker and his allies face today. Cave in to the pressure and seek accommodation or stick to their guns and make the changes necessary to put their state on the right path. They chose the latter course and accomplished their mission. Soon Michigan was out of budget danger. Later, as the state’s economy improved, Michigan not only moved into the black but was able to build a large surplus. That the state’s resurgence was not merely a reflection of a national trend could be seen in the numbers, which indicated that for the first time in years Michigan’s unemployment rate was “below” the national average. Adding further evidence was the announcement that Michigan was voted the number one destination for new business relocations due in large part to the 20 plus tax cuts Engler and his team had enacted.
As for Engler’s seemingly dim political prospects and dismal approval ratings, they too underwent a radical reversal. In 1994, he was re-elected with about 60 percent of the vote. Four years later, he won a third term with an even larger margin."
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:18 PM
 
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And there we have it folks right from the horses mouth. "I want to see them lick the bowl". What a statement that is. The desire to drive down professional public servants to the same level of all those other "Bowl lickers" that have no power or influence in their daily grind to keep body and soul together. It's just so sad that these type of sentiments are common. What is it that causes this? Jealousy of a middle income? Covetousness, because they would like the same conditions for themselves? What???, I just can't figure it out at all!

Usually these same people also want to give those have it all, even more. Reduce their taxes, unregulate them, get rid of any employment standards.
Meanwhile these oligarchs are selling the country out completely. Offshoring as many good American jobs as they can. Destroying the economy with their greed and carelessness. What the big unregulated banks have cost the country would probably finance education forever.

"If your state is broke there is nothing to discuss". Well you had better discuss it because if the power of the people remain usurped by the corporate interests every state will be broke.
Teachers could be on the same professional level as
physicians and attorneys. However, they choose to align themselves with labor unions. They fight against getting rid of tenure. They whine about the higher standards on their certification tests because they can not pass them. They do not even want to rid their profession of their own bad apples. Nothing to relish in.

Unions never should be allowed in the public sector. It isn't jealousy. It's a desire to not be financially dictated by those who are employed by the state, who I might add, without ALL the tax payers money, they wouldn't have a paying job.

We will not be going back to sweat shops or 15 hour work
days at the fail of public unions. Off shoring jobs
has never had anything to do with public sector
jobs. But unions in the private sector certainly did.

Union officials: Salina Hawker jobs going to Mexico - KSN TV, Kansas News and Weather

Electrolux layoffs begin - Omaha.com

Teamsters reject ABF wage adjustment contract | The City Wire

The public employee has much more security than
their private union counterparts do. That is really
the biggest bonus you can get



I'm not against unions in the Private Sector. But as was
the case recently - negotiating a new contract with
Harley Davidson. If they are not careful they might just collectively bargain themselves out of a job for good.
HD is giving it 7 years.
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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er.

"If your state is broke there is nothing to discuss". Well you had better discuss it because if the power of the people remain usurped by the corporate interests every state will be broke.
Right to work states are doing pretty well.


Effects of Right to Work Laws on Employees, Unions, and Businesses
CASE EXAMPLE 1: Oklahoma 2001

Key Question: What was Oklahoma’s experience with Right to Work laws?

Before adopting Right to Work laws, Oklahoma had fallen behind Right to Work states in terms of the average increase in its citizens’ income. Unions contended that if Oklahoma adopted Right to Work laws, the state would experience lower wages and inferior healthcare coverage. For example, while the unions were fighting Right to Work laws in Oklahoma, Jimmy C. Curry, Oklahoma State AFL-CIO President stated: “We will not allow our wages to be cut along with less health care for our families” (“RTW in OK”).

Looking back on it now, it appears that in this case the unions’ concerns were unwarranted. An analysis by the National Institute for Labor Relations Research of U.S. Census Bureau data reveals that of all the fifty states Oklahoma is the only state to have a statistically significant increase in real household income (3.7%) between 2001 and 2002 (Greer, Earnings Rise). Its analysis also found that between 2001 and 2002 “the number of Oklahomans covered by [private health insurance] increased by 54,000 [while] the total number of Americans covered by private health insurance fell by more than a million” (Greer, Earnings Rise).

Additionally, a September 2002 poll of Oklahomans reported that one out of five Oklahomans felt that Right to Work laws had improved Oklahomans economy, with 41% of 18-24 year olds responding that the “right-to-work law had improved the Oklahoma economy” (Martindale).

In summary, it appears as if Oklahoma’s experience so far with Right to Work laws has been relatively positive, with slight increases in the income levels, improved health care coverage, and a significant proportion of Oklahomans feeling that Right to Work has positively affected the state.
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