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Old 03-08-2011, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Sure I do. The teachers' union bargains collectively for a salary increase.
So, Poindexter. Who do you imagine they are bargaining with?
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:44 PM
 
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I'm referring to your prediction that the GOP will WIN the standoff.
THAT prediction is WRONG.
Look, Walker has to implement his plan. The WI taxpayers cannot afford to keep being overcharged $100 million per year by the teachers' union for health insurance.

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If the governor is concerned about the insurance issue he should drop the stupid "no collective bargaining for the unions" position and focus on the INSURANCE issue. It's NOT the insurance issue that's riling folks up - it's the COLLECTIVE BARGAINING issue. Folks are just NOT OK with that.
It's the excessive raises and benefits paid for by the taxpayers, too. Read my last post. Taxpayers are fed up with the public employee union special interest groups running them over and needlessly jacking up their tax bills.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Sure I do. The teachers' union bargains collectively for a salary increase.

If the proposed increase goes beyond the CPI increase, WI taxpayers would have been able to vote to approve or disapprove the increase. Makes perfect sense - the WI taxpayers are the ones PAYING for it so in effect ARE the employers. ...But the Dems are insisting on making sure the WI taxpayers have no input on how much their taxes can be raised to give teachers excessive raises.
Having the voters of a state vote on union contracts makes about as much sense as having shareholders of a company vote on union contracts - essentially none at all.
There's a reason companies don't function that way - it's wasteful, inefficient and undermines the authority of management (either of the company or of the state).

If you don't like the way the state reps are negotiating with the unions then CHANGE the state reps - that's what elections are for. You certainly don't need to remove union bargaining rights to do that.

Ken
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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So, Poindexter. Who do you imagine they are bargaining with?
Someone who is supposed to represent the taxpayers' interest, but doesn't. Note how the union has been overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year for insurance?

Since those people have obviously failed at representing the taxpayers' interest, Walker's plan lets the taxpayers represent themselves in the bargaining process. Since they are the ones PAYING, I see no problem with that.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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So basically, the WI taxpayers, those who have to PAY for it, would lose their ability to have any say in whether their taxes should increase to give teachers salary increases above the CPI.
If you truly believe in direct democracy, why not let the voters vote on this bill, rather than leaving it to the legislature?
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Look, Walker has to implement his plan. The WI taxpayers cannot afford to keep being overcharged $100 million per year by the teachers' union for health insurance.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Look, Walker has to implement his plan. The WI taxpayers cannot afford to keep being overcharged $100 million per year by the teachers' union for health insurance.

It's the excessive raises and benefits paid for by the taxpayers, too. Read my last post. Taxpayers are fed up with the public employee union special interest groups running them over and needlessly jacking up their tax bills.

So fine - FOCUS on the INSURANCE issue. He can very possibly win that fight, but he is NOT going to win the fight on forcing the unions to give up their collective bargaining. It's a REALLY STOOOOOOPID move on his part. What did he THINK was going to happen? That the union folks were just going to roll over and accept the removal of the core of what MAKES them a union?

That's a REALL DUMB assumption on his part.

Ken
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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If you truly believe in direct democracy, why not let the voters vote on this bill, rather than leaving it to the legislature?
They did. Last November when they elected Walker on his plan to repair the budget.
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Someone who is supposed to represent the taxpayers' interest, but doesn't.
Then the taxpayers should never have elected them. There's always another election right around the corner.

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Note how the union has been overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year for insurance?
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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They did. Last November when they elected Walker on his plan to repair the budget.
Apparently not... if the polls are even close to correct.
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