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Old 03-08-2011, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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This response is totally off-topic, however, I just have to ask: if there was no compromise, how is that there were so many Republican amendments included in the final bill?
Aw, it's just hard for some to get off the old false talking points. I guess they feel they fit all occasions, why waste all that training?
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Fortunately, the rest of the country doesn't share your view.

Nothing could be worse than the last 4 years, with the democrats in control.
And, how does the rest of the country feel about collective bargaining, including the big guy from NJ?

NJ Gov. Christie: 'I love collective bargaining' - BusinessWeek

First Read - NBC/WSJ poll: 62% against stripping public employees' bargaining rights

Daily Kos: CBS/NY Times Poll: Majority of Americans oppose efforts to weaken collective bargaining

Gov. Walker is on the wrong side of this issue.
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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Gov. Walker is on the wrong side of this issue.
You do realize that collective bargaining is what led to the teachers' union overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year for insurance, right?

That's $100 million per year that's siphoned AWAY from teachers' salaries and the public schools, and planted firmly in the union bosses' pockets.
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Old 03-08-2011, 05:25 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You do realize that collective bargaining is what led to the teachers' union overcharging WI taxpayers $100 million per year for insurance, right?

That's $100 million per year that's siphoned AWAY from teachers' salaries and the public schools, and planted firmly in the union bosses' pockets.
Then maybe the state's bargainers did a bad job - but you don't get rid bargaining because you had lousy bargainers - you GET NEW BARGAINERS.


The state can't just dictate it's will on the employees.

Ken
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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Then maybe the state's bargainers did a bad job - but you don't get rid bargaining because you had lousy bargainers - you GET NEW BARGAINERS.
Says who? Ending the ability to bargain for ripping off the taxpayers sure makes a lot of sense. It totally removes any possibility of any future abuse. The same abuse FDR noted in public employee unions.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:20 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Says who? Ending the ability to bargain for ripping off the taxpayers sure makes a lot of sense. It totally removes any possibility of any future abuse. The same abuse FDR noted in public employee unions.
Says who?
Says the people of Wisconsin - that's WHO, based on poll after poll after poll.
But then again WHO CARES what the people want eh?
Walker was elected king - er I mean governor, so he can do whatever he wants right?


The people of WI are making it pretty clear in poll after poll and in protest after protest (some of them to the tune of 70,000 people) that they DON'T support stripping the unions of their right to collective bargaining.

Ken
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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Says who?
Says the people of Wisconsin - that's WHO, based on poll after poll after poll.
Really? Cite the poll that says WI taxpayers want the teachers' union to keep overcharging them $100 million per year for insurance.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Really? Cite the poll that says WI taxpayers want the teachers' union to keep overcharging them $100 million per year for insurance.
For the 100th time - that's NOT the issue people are FIRED UP ABOUT.
Can you not read???????
The issue causing the deadlock is Walker's instance that the unions be stripped of their COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS.



In any event, apparently Walker is backing down and he's now OPEN to the idea of allowing the unions to keep their collective bargaining rights. This news JUST OUT:

E-mails released by Walker's office show the Republican has told Senate Democrats he is open to discussions on aspects of his plan.

Walker sent Democrats a list of possible proposed changes as recently as Sunday night. He said he'd be open to allowing bargaining on salary without any limit. Under his current proposal, workers would only be able to negotiate a new salary increase no greater than inflation.

He listed other possible areas that could be subject to collective bargaining, including mandatory overtime, performance bonuses and hazardous duty pay.


Walker Releases E-Mails Showing Talks Over Bill - Politics News Story - WISC Madison (http://www.channel3000.com/politics/27122819/detail.html - broken link)

TOLD YOU he would back down.



Ken

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Old 03-08-2011, 06:58 PM
 
Location: FL
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I do understand the collective bargaining issue. It may have been a part of his agenda, and the Union rep may have warned of it, but Walker HIMSELF never campaigned on it. Walker HIMSELF never said he would end most collective bargaining during the campaign.

As far as Statesmen, going after collective bargaining for middle class teachers and citing the deficit as the reason while you are giving out no bid contracts and pushing through tax cuts for wealthy CEO's (both of which reduce revenues and expand the deficit) sure as hell isn't statesman like.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Really? Cite the poll that says WI taxpayers want the teachers' union to keep overcharging them $100 million per year for insurance.
The unions agreed to the tax cuts. But I think you just like to keep mentioning "Wisconsin taxpayers" in bold type.
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