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Old 03-06-2011, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I do understand the collective bargaining issue. It may have been a part of his agenda, and the Union rep may have warned of it, but Walker HIMSELF never campaigned on it. Walker HIMSELF never said he would end most collective bargaining during the campaign.

As far as Statesmen, going after collective bargaining for middle class teachers and citing the deficit as the reason while you are giving out no bid contracts and pushing through tax cuts for wealthy CEO's (both of which reduce revenues and expand the deficit) sure as hell isn't statesman like.
Ok, I am going to help you out here since you and the other poster have no idea what the issue is. Currently many Wisconsin school districts are forced to buy their insurance from teacher union owned insurance company at greatly inflated rates. The only way to rescue the middle class tax payer from lining the teachers unions pockets is to limit collective bargaining of benefits. It is hardly a move that will kill unions. It will stop the fat cat union leaders from getting richer, but it won't affect the rank and file.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Yeah, more and more polls - including one from Rasmussen now - are showing Walkers' numbers are most definitely on the way down, and I would suspect that sooner or later those falling numbers will start to affect the WI GOP representatives in general - at which point he'll start to come under pressure from his own party to compromise.

Sounds like the Democratic plan to stave off a vote until the public turns against Walker & the GOP is starting to bear fruit.

Ken
Lol, only if they plan on staying away until 2012. And a lot can change between now and then, ask Christe.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:48 PM
 
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I don't know what to tell you. As a WI taxpayer, I knew about Walker's plan last year just like the union rep did.
What did I tell you. You can tell these guys a million times and they still don't get it. Apparently some people don't understand the word campaign.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Ok, I am going to help you out here since you and the other poster have no idea what the issue is. Currently many Wisconsin school districts are forced to buy their insurance from teacher union owned insurance company at greatly inflated rates. The only way to rescue the middle class tax payer from lining the teachers unions pockets is to limit collective bargaining of benefits. It is hardly a move that will kill unions. It will stop the fat cat union leaders from getting richer, but it won't affect the rank and file.

Again, Walker never campaigned on taking away most collective bargaining rights. He did talk about changing the way benefits were handled, (and you could actually make some of those changes through the next contract round). He never stated during his campaign he was going to take collective bargaining rights away on almost every single issue. Those words never came out of his mouth. Now that he is Governor he is saying taking away the vast majority is needed to address the budget and deficit issue, meanwhile he is taking other steps to that hurt the budget and expand the deficit that help the wealthy and powerful.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:53 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Lol, only if they plan on staying away until 2012. And a lot can change between now and then, ask Christe.
Actually it sounds like things may happen a LOT sooner than that.
Apparently the recall drive on 3 GOP legislators is picking up steam it & sounds like at least 1 of the 3 legislators is now considering changing his position on the issue. A change of 3 votes would reverse the whole thing.

Ken
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:54 PM
 
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Again, Walker never campaigned on taking away most collective bargaining rights. He did talk about changing the way benefits were handled, (and you could actually make some of those changes through the next contract round). He never stated during his campaign he was going to take collective bargaining rights away on almost every single issue. Those words never came out of his mouth. Now that he is Governor he is saying taking away the vast majority is needed to address the budget and deficit issue, meanwhile he is taking other steps to that hurt the budget and expand the deficit that help the wealthy and powerful.
Dude, I've been trying to explain this to them for the past hour. It's no use.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo4NCXOX0p8
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:56 PM
 
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Ok, I am going to help you out here since you and the other poster have no idea what the issue is. Currently many Wisconsin school districts are forced to buy their insurance from teacher union owned insurance company at greatly inflated rates. The only way to rescue the middle class tax payer from lining the teachers unions pockets is to limit collective bargaining of benefits. It is hardly a move that will kill unions. It will stop the fat cat union leaders from getting richer, but it won't affect the rank and file.
Yep. And it will actually HELP the rank and file by taking the $50-68 million per year overcharges away from the union official fat cats and redirect it for use to pay union-negotiated collectively bargained salary increases for the teachers. That's why Walker thought it was important for teachers to RETAIN the ability to collectively bargain for salary increases.

Come on! I can't believe you libs keep throwing teachers under the bus so that union official fat cats can keep their extra millions of taxpayer dollars. What's up with that?
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:13 AM
 
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I see nothing about ending collective bargaining.
He campaigned on balancing the budgets, and stated the schools would be one of the areas hit the hardest..

What exactly do you think that means?

Did he expressly state he was going to end collective bargaining? Dont know.. but would you not agree that doing so would help reduce the deficits that he campaigned on? If you say no, then what the hells the problem? If you say yes, then clearly he's fufilling his pledge..
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:17 AM
 
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It was referring to Walker's plan to move teachers out of the teachers' union's insurance company which had been overcharging WI taxpayers $50-68 million per year, and into the same WI state health plan the state employees already have.

I'm not sure why the teachers are complaining about this. All it does is cut out the union-owned insurance company that has been overcharging the WI taxpayers, while leaving the savings to be used for the teachers' collectively bargained salary increases. It takes the $50-68 million overcharges the union had been pocketing and creates the ability to transfer the savings to the teachers in the form of union-negotiated salary increases.

Why exactly are we seeing teachers and other public employee union members protesting to keep the union's greedy arrangement against their own best interest?
Why has the left ignored this posting? Maybe because it makes a very good point..
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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Again, Walker never campaigned on taking away most collective bargaining rights. He did talk about changing the way benefits were handled, (and you could actually make some of those changes through the next contract round). He never stated during his campaign he was going to take collective bargaining rights away on almost every single issue. Those words never came out of his mouth. Now that he is Governor he is saying taking away the vast majority is needed to address the budget and deficit issue, meanwhile he is taking other steps to that hurt the budget and expand the deficit that help the wealthy and powerful.
Scott Walker's Views on Collective Bargaining No Surprise | The Weekly Standard

That said, it’s simply not accurate to rate Walker’s claim that he campaigned on what he is now doing as “false.” In fact, he did campaign on much of what he is now doing. And while the specific collective bargaining proposal in the budget repair bill was not a regular line in his stump speech, it was also no secret that he would make significant changes to Wisconsin’s collective bargaining rules.
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