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Old 03-07-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Now that is a great deflection. Please tell us what Iraq has to do with Wisconsin collective bargaining. This should be good........
It has to do with the extreme lack of coherent arguments from the right on issues they hold dear.

For instance, RE: unions. The right is very quick to place all the blame on unions, I've asked multiple times for the anti-union crowd to supply an example of a contract signed by only one party. Until someone does it's obvious to anyone who chooses to open their eyes that any problems stemming from a contract are not the doing of only one side.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Sad, but true. Most people don't seem to vote for their own best interests... maybe they don't know any better.
Tru Dat.

Look how many voted for President Obama.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It has to do with the extreme lack of coherent arguments from the right on issues they hold dear.

For instance, RE: unions. The right is very quick to place all the blame on unions, I've asked multiple times for the anti-union crowd to supply an example of a contract signed by only one party. Until someone does it's obvious to anyone who chooses to open their eyes that any problems stemming from a contract are not the doing of only one side.
Let me help you out here. The very generous contracts were signed by Dems. The unions then turned around and bankrolled the Dems. The Republicans are now taking the power back for the tax payer.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:12 PM
 
Location: California
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Spoken like a true elitist.
The rest of us need to stand together against this tyranny. The rich want America to be a third world country with two classes ; rich and poor.
They will have all of the power. It's all about big business and how much money they can make. They don't care about you or the sick and needy.
There should be more compassion for those who are in need. We need Social Security, and Medicare, and unions.
I'm sure Gov. Walker won't budge as long as Koch keeps handing him $$$ under the table.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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It has to do with the extreme lack of coherent arguments from the right on issues they hold dear.

For instance, RE: unions. The right is very quick to place all the blame on unions, I've asked multiple times for the anti-union crowd to supply an example of a contract signed by only one party. Until someone does it's obvious to anyone who chooses to open their eyes that any problems stemming from a contract are not the doing of only one side.
By force government holds a monopoly on most of the services it provides. If government workers go on strike then people get mad and will vote out the politicians next round. Govt unions know this. Politicians know this. Unions hold the power. The threat of a strike by a public union will get them a raise of some sort (usually benefits).

Plus, union mmebers vote in large numbers. Don't give us a raise? Guess you won't be winning re-election.

If a private sector goes on strike no one cares. We can can just buy the product/service from someone else.

This is why public unions contracts are the doing of one side and why public unions should be be eliminated.

P.S. Federal employees don't get collective bargaining power. Where were these state union workers before? Why weren't they demanding President Obama give his employees their "rights"? Why are they only mad when a Republican tries to limit their "rights"? Hypocrites. The lot of 'em.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:35 PM
 
Location: California
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Lightbulb Here's the Republican budget...

The Republican budget:
-- Prevents the government from implementing health reform, rolling back critical patient protections and cost savings, and returning control of your health care to insurance companies;
-- Slashes funding for preventive health services that millions of American women depend on through Planned Parenthood -- and eliminates community health center jobs
-- Guts investments in education and infrastructure that will grow the economy and create jobs;
-- Cuts homeland security investments , hindering local law enforcement's ability to keep our families safe; and
-- Drops children from Head Start, an early-education program proven to help students thrive later on.
And it could mean nearly 1 million American jobs lost -- all without making a dent in the deficit.
With a shutdown looming, we're approaching a critical moment that could quickly become a crisis.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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The Republican budget:
-- Prevents the government from implementing health reform, rolling back critical patient protections and cost savings, and returning control of your health care to insurance companies;
-- Slashes funding for preventive health services that millions of American women depend on through Planned Parenthood -- and eliminates community health center jobs
-- Guts investments in education and infrastructure that will grow the economy and create jobs;
-- Cuts homeland security investments , hindering local law enforcement's ability to keep our families safe; and
-- Drops children from Head Start, an early-education program proven to help students thrive later on.
And it could mean nearly 1 million American jobs lost -- all without making a dent in the deficit.
With a shutdown looming, we're approaching a critical moment that could quickly become a crisis.
And the reason for all this...........The Left has overplayed its hand!
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The Republican budget:
-- Prevents the government from implementing health reform, rolling back critical patient protections and cost savings, and returning control of your health care to insurance companies;
Nutty, Obamacare is a big wet kiss to insurance companies it gives them 30 million new customers. Who are forced to buy their product.


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-- Slashes funding for preventive health services that millions of American women depend on through Planned Parenthood -- and eliminates community health center jobs
First off, try being specific, what are you talking about, what is being cut? Second we spend the most of any country in the world on health care yet the left wants more.

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-- -- Guts investments in education and infrastructure that will grow the economy and create jobs;
-- Cuts homeland security investments , hindering local law enforcement's ability to keep our families safe; and
-- Drops children from Head Start, an early-education program proven to help students thrive later on.
And it could mean nearly 1 million American jobs lost -- all without making a dent in the deficit.
With a shutdown looming, we're approaching a critical moment that could quickly become a crisis.

We are out of money. February's deficit is larger than the entire 2007 deficit. We are out of money we have to cut back everywhere.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:42 PM
 
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Too funny, the wacky lefties don't even understand the issues! LOL!!

WEAC's WEA Trust scam at stake in collective bargaining reform | EducationNews.org

"The fact is that the Wisconsin Education Association Council, the largest teachers union in the state, has grossly abused that privilege for decades, resulting in the unnecessary siphoning of millions of dollars from Wisconsin public schools."
Yep. I've been telling the lefties that. The union is siphoning $100 million of the WI taxpayers' money per year away from the teachers and the public schools.
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume18/Vol18no1.pdf

Apparently, libs are A-okay with the unions siphoning millions of dollars away from the workers and the schools. They're fighting like hell to keep stripping away that $100 million per year.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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How about we get rid of the unions, and enact some laws that benefit all working Americans?

We need to take back this country from the corporations. Otherwise, we will surely lose our status in the world when all is said and done. Giving sweetheart deals to small groups does NOT help America. It actually helps the corporations.

As long as there are labor laws and a failing corporate tax structure that allow US corps to screw the majority of Americans, they will. Unions just collect protection money for small but vocal groups to keep them from getting out of hand.

We need one union, a citizen's union. We need to collectively bargain on Election Day.
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