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Old 03-07-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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That attitude works just fine in Alaska, were you do not need law enforcement's permission to carry, openly or concealed.

As long as you immediately inform any law enforcement officer that stops you that you are armed, you are good to go. Although, they can ask to have your weapon secured for the duration of the contact with them.

Permits are for bureaucrats.

Go figure....in Mass we have some of the toughest gun laws in the country but we are not required to disclose that we are carrying. I was born and raised in Mass., I like it here, and I'm not willing to move for less gun laws. I also have an unrestricted concealed carry permit so it's not an issue for me anyway.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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Rick I live in NH........ I am land locked behind Mass and NY... If you think I won't carry there you would be wrong. In 05 i carried in 40 states all the way to Cal and back. I shall not be infringed.

Like it or not I am a Free Man. I carry in NY state where my bride is from and any Leo or bad guys are the same thing to me.
Don't like it and bring body bags i will assist filling them untill I can't. It's just the way I am.

I shot a man legally and after that lost my father in law and his 2nd wife people my wife loved and so did I. The system did nothing to stop, or protect.

I will shoot anyone after giving them a chioce to go home bad guys or cops it all the same to me.

I am hard core, but have nothing against you and in fact defended you a few posts up.

I can assure you any times I pass thru Mass and NY states I am armed and always will be untill I don't waste air on this side of the grass. I shall not be infinged.

This has nothing to do with you personally, I have ot called you out, but I remain the same armed and have been every day since Easter 99 when the cops failed. I should have been armed every day since I shot my very own special bad guy.

I used to be more forgiving than I am now. It's just the way it is.

No LEO is very special to me. I don't 'do' anything to be remarkable and mind my own bee's wax.

I attend shoots out side of new England often and I don't go to shoots unarmed.

I have suffered at the hands of Mass Leo's and even demanded to be charged and arrested. Not a very common event. The demand led to me being released rather promptly I might add.

I wasn't breaking any laws. I was being illegally detained.

Me: I am sick of the elite, and I don't fear death, which gives me an edge. That double murder not 3 city blocks off from that cop shop set me off some. You suffer something like that and you get hard core big time.

At this point I got no more use of cops than they do of me. They are one in the same to me as a bad guys. The best we can do is leave one another the Hell alone.

Thars no bloomin way I will ever go unarmed anywhere. There is one way to stop me and only one way and you know what that is. I shall not be Infinged!

You don't have to like it, but you must accept it. This is the one law I will break every day untill I am dead... I just don't care what states honor, or respect my valid permits.
I am not the enemy.
Yes folks I was really wrong about gun nuts wasn't I?

Very level headed these guys are...LOL
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:15 PM
 
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And yet our gov't still walks all over us.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Mac_Muz View Post
Rick I live in NH........ I am land locked behind Mass and NY... If you think I won't carry there you would be wrong. In 05 i carried in 40 states all the way to Cal and back. I shall not be infringed.

Like it or not I am a Free Man. I carry in NY state where my bride is from and any Leo or bad guys are the same thing to me.
Don't like it and bring body bags i will assist filling them untill I can't. It's just the way I am.

I shot a man legally and after that lost my father in law and his 2nd wife people my wife loved and so did I. The system did nothing to stop, or protect.

I will shoot anyone after giving them a chioce to go home bad guys or cops it all the same to me.

I am hard core, but have nothing against you and in fact defended you a few posts up.

I can assure you any times I pass thru Mass and NY states I am armed and always will be untill I don't waste air on this side of the grass. I shall not be infinged.

This has nothing to do with you personally, I have ot called you out, but I remain the same armed and have been every day since Easter 99 when the cops failed. I should have been armed every day since I shot my very own special bad guy.

I used to be more forgiving than I am now. It's just the way it is.

No LEO is very special to me. I don't 'do' anything to be remarkable and mind my own bee's wax.

I attend shoots out side of new England often and I don't go to shoots unarmed.

I have suffered at the hands of Mass Leo's and even demanded to be charged and arrested. Not a very common event. The demand led to me being released rather promptly I might add.

I wasn't breaking any laws. I was being illegally detained.

Me: I am sick of the elite, and I don't fear death, which gives me an edge. That double murder not 3 city blocks off from that cop shop set me off some. You suffer something like that and you get hard core big time.

At this point I got no more use of cops than they do of me. They are one in the same to me as a bad guys. The best we can do is leave one another the Hell alone.

Thars no bloomin way I will ever go unarmed anywhere. There is one way to stop me and only one way and you know what that is. I shall not be Infinged!

You don't have to like it, but you must accept it. This is the one law I will break every day untill I am dead... I just don't care what states honor, or respect my valid permits.
I am not the enemy.

If that's your attitude that's fine. I respect your views. I'm just telling you that in this day and age you will never get a LTC in Mass by trying to act that way with a licensing officer and you should not be telling people to take that approach. I'm not willing to risk a felony and jail time like you so I follow all laws. Fortunately I don't go out of state all that often so I'm covered more often than not with my unrestricted Mass. Class A LTC. FOPA will cover you on some scenarios that you mentioned but not all. I hope you never have any issues......
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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I do agree with some of your other posts, repped you on one of 'em, but this kind of attitude can only hurt the 2A movement as it stands.
Sorry man I can't give the rep back unless you know how.

You didn't interview me before when you gave me a rep, and to tell the truth reps won't buy me a cup of coffee.

I never said i was not a hard core gun owner. If you wore my boots and lost family and or perhaps called the cops for assistance and were told, and I quote " The police are not your personal body guards!"

And then you shot a real bad guy, with as it turns out 6 paid for crimes all of a drug and violent nature (paid for is parolled), plus 6 more warrents for pending alledged criminal drug and violent natured crimes, then maybe you might feel like me.

I never got a free ride down town...

The 2nd isn't up for the Government to decide upon, It is a Right, and you and I, and Rick Share that Right, and since the Feds didn't give us the Right but a higher power did, there is nothing the Feds can do or any state can do. It is my right. and to deny me my Right means I can try to keep it at the cost of my life. I am so willing to defend my Rights it may cost my life, but then life with out my Rights isn't worth the living.

Patrick Henery said "Give me Liberty or Give me Death." I feel the same.

It is nothing personal between Rick and I, nor you, but quite frankly I don't need either of your permissions to carry guns. I have a valid permit, and there is nothing anyone can do about that.

Now I don't consider a valid permit granted by the state of NH to be much. I do consider it Infringment, but about the same as getting my bags at walmart checked by an old geezer.

I kinda cherish my Mass permit which I did get in 3 days when not even cops could get them that fast. The sad part is the Chief in that town taught me a hard lesson. That the paper isn't worth the ink it's printed on.

That chief of Manchester by the Sea blew out his brains with his service side arm. I still have that permit. I still know his name. He did right by me, but proved paper is paper and can be quite worthless.

He did ask about how I got hand guns into Mass. I told him I saw the signs but didn't think the law meant I had to stop at the signs on I-90 and dump the guns on the ground.

I paid in blood..... I hope to not pay in more blood, but I am willing.

I am not the enemy.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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If that's your attitude that's fine. I respect your views. I'm just telling you that in this day and age you will never get a LTC in Mass by trying to act that way with a licensing officer and you should not be telling people to take that approach. I'm not willing to risk a felony and jail time like you so I follow all laws. Fortunately I don't go out of state all that often so I'm covered more often than not with my unrestricted Mass. Class A LTC. FOPA will cover you on some scenarios that you mentioned but not all. I hope you never have any issues......
Rick I am a sort of wild cat little old guy, nearing 60 a bit too fast for my liking.. Most people tend to think of me as hick stupid . I think of me as a long hair country boy, sort of the Charlie Daniels tune sorta guy, except I don't get drunk in the morning or stoned in the after noon.

I don't smoke the wild woodslands weeds at all for the past 30 years and can't recall the last time I was drunk.

Once I didn't have any interest what so ever in SD guns. I hunted since i was 6. I got more milk paint and odd assorted blanket prizes with flinters proving I shoot, and once was disqualified at a modern shot gun shoot after winning with a black power smooth bore Nor' West Gun, for cheating, never did figure out how I was cheating with a ft site only black powder musket, but I smilled and grinned and left in peace.

I wasn't there to win a turkey, I was there to shoot.

All I can tell ya is if you father in law and his wife get stabbed to death in the teens of times each, and they live in the best house on the street not 3 blocks from the cops shop, and then you have to cleam uip the mess and tell a sis in law she sat in blood on a black hassock something happens.

Please take one whole entire second and think that over. Then think about why it took SWAT 2.5 hours to dress and show up 3 city blocks away.

That much has left me bitter since Easter 1999.

I have 0 problem with you. It's semantics..... laws are semantics.

Will you have me believe if there is a social break down you will be unarmed? I had my social break downs, and I just know my answers ahead of time.

I am not the enemy.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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I wasn't asking for it back, where'd you get that from?

The point I was getting at, is that the anti 2A types out there will use statements like that to take 2A rights away from everyone. Chuck Schumer's voice travels a lot further than your beliefs, he'll use anything he can to restrict the 2A, we shouldn't give him any more ammunition than he already has now.

I personally wish the country went the way of VT, AK and AZ.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:02 PM
 
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I have 0 controll of what the good people of NY do and or how they vote. What that old foggy is doing in NY state is well past my understanding. He is a communist so far as i can tell. The people of NY state don't make any sence to me when it comes to voting.

Same goes for Caliwag O' fornia with Feindstein. These types of wanna be 'feel gooders need to be voted out so far that they end up flippin burgers for Micky Dee's, and take that fine specimen of a man Mikey Moore with them.........

The real news is Chuck Schumer isn't any higher POWER and has no Right to vote on the 2nd anymore than anyone else has. Totally out of his leauge unless he has plans to re-write the Cons, the Bill of Rights with in the cons and give the USA back to England!

In fact if you happen to be close to Chuck I would suggest you pass a copy of the Declaration of Independance to him personally and request his ideas on the CONS which he has personally sworn to protect? I don't believe he has read any of the the 2 items nor the Bill of Rights.

In fact i think he is actting illegally and in the part of a capitol offence as a traitor to the USA. I know if i were a NY resident he would have heard from me on this very issue and i would be calling for his arrest. I may too. But then since I can't vote in NY it won't be taken serious.

Once i wrote to the now extinct Minister Allen Rock of Canada about guns, and got him to see my points.. We wrote back often a while. He had no form letters to send for my topics, so he had no choice but to really dictate to a real person to address me about history, money and guns, which brought parks canada money, which could be used to upkeep places like Ft Louisburg NS, the Plains of Abraham and other places of early Canadian History.

I am not formal here, nor do I type well, and or edit well, but my wife of 95wpm sure can.

You see at the time Allen Rock wanted muskets to be serial numbered, and to have historical re-enactors pay 2 times a year a nasty little fee to Canada.

All I did was explain was muskets were not serial numbered in the first place, and are not considered guns at all by USA law. That the fee were prohibitive twice a year, and that not only did re-enactors bring money to spend in Canada, but we drew large crowds from around the world, to spend money in Canada , Parks Canada and the puny fees he planned to charge would END it ALL.

Little hick wild cat me won that deal with the Minister in Canada. Money talks even if i don't have any...

You brought up reps, not me.... I rep people who make me laff...... I still have 0 problems with you, but I didn't even know there was a you...
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Even though he is a NY Senator, he is one of the architects of the Assault Weapons Ban, which was nationwide. Although I wish they were, his decisions aren't confined to the borders of NYS.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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It is what has kept a war from our shores for so long.
Which may explain the PTB "encouraging" a civil war - with divided Americans picking off each other.
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