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View Poll Results: What causes autism?
Defective genes 17 23.94%
Environmental toxins 4 5.63%
Vaccines 3 4.23%
A combination of vaccines and genes 4 5.63%
A combination of environmental toxins and genes 18 25.35%
A combination of vaccines and environmental toxins 10 14.08%
Something else 15 21.13%
Voters: 71. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-09-2011, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I am not an ant-vaxxer. Still, it can be argued that the vaccine schedule supported by most medical establishments is unreasonably aggressive. Why is this? Could it be that the relatively low cost, therefore low profit in vaccinations favors the 'sheer volume' approach to shareholder appeasement? I mean... some of the Hepatitis variations being vaccinated are sexually transmissive only. Why does a near infant need a Hep C vaccine? Just asking.

My kids ran the vaccine gauntlet just fine. Millions have, chances are yours will too. Still, Big Pharma needs to be reigned in. They no longer serve the Public Good and that is not good. I don't think some pressure from parents to justify their schedules, formulations and reveal case studies is a completely bad thing.

H
The reality is big pharma doesn't want to be in the vaccine business. Low margins and bad publicity. The government sheilds them from liability or no one would manufacture any.

 
Old 03-09-2011, 04:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm View Post
I am not an ant-vaxxer. Still, it can be argued that the vaccine schedule supported by most medical establishments is unreasonably aggressive. Why is this? Could it be that the relatively low cost, therefore low profit in vaccinations favors the 'sheer volume' approach to shareholder appeasement? I mean... some of the Hepatitis variations being vaccinated are sexually transmissive only. Why does a near infant need a Hep C vaccine? Just asking.

My kids ran the vaccine gauntlet just fine. Millions have, chances are yours will too. Still, Big Pharma needs to be reigned in. They no longer serve the Public Good and that is not good. I don't think some pressure from parents to justify their schedules, formulations and reveal case studies is a completely bad thing.

H
Please explain to me where the vaccine schedule is aggressive. Which vaccines would you deny? Which vaccines would delay? Why? Delaying does not decrease the chance of a vaccine reaction and does increase the chance a baby will get a vaccine preventable disease. Vaccine schedules have been developed by public health officials not by vaccine makers.

Infants are more vulnerable to many illnesses than adults including whooping cough. An adult may shrug off whooping cough as a cold. An infant runs much greater risks from pertussis including brain damage and even death. Vaccination at a young age makes complete sense and saves lives.

FYI, it's hep b not hep c. Infants need the vaccine because the earlier you get infected with hep b the greater your chance of long term problems with it including liver failure. Roughly one third of all people who have hep b have no known risk factors.

Big pharm is another issue that really has nothing to do with vaccines. As shorebaby points out, pharmaceutical companies would rather not be in the vaccine business. They gain very little from vaccines and expose themselves to all kinds of risks.

Personally I'd rather our government made vaccines but I doubt that would change the anti-vax paranoia.
 
Old 03-09-2011, 05:53 PM
 
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Why do you say infants are more vulnerable to diseases..could it be that they have a very undeveloped immune system?The hep b vaccines given to newborns is an abomination and a clear huge assault on their immature immune systems...the reason some people wait until their children are 2 to vaccinate is because by then the brain cells will have developed their insulation (myelin) to protect them....they did this in Japan and found the incidence of sids and neurological damage(believed caused by vaccines) dropped 100%.There is STILL mercury in hep b shots and in flu shots. Unless your baby gets tattoos, or is having sex, or is a drug user, he/she cannot get hepb unless born to an infected mother..In Canada they screen the mother for hep b, and if she is infected they will vax your baby.....most are not, and there's no need for the shot.
 
Old 03-09-2011, 06:23 PM
 
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Why do you say infants are more vulnerable to diseases..could it be that they have a very undeveloped immune system?The hep b vaccines given to newborns is an abomination and a clear huge assault on their immature immune systems...the reason some people wait until their children are 2 to vaccinate is because by then the brain cells will have developed their insulation (myelin) to protect them....they did this in Japan and found the incidence of sids and neurological damage(believed caused by vaccines) dropped 100%.There is STILL mercury in hep b shots and in flu shots. Unless your baby gets tattoos, or is having sex, or is a drug user, he/she cannot get hepb unless born to an infected mother..In Canada they screen the mother for hep b, and if she is infected they will vax your baby.....most are not, and there's no need for the shot.
Please stop posting material that isn't true. Just about every thing you wrote in this paragraph isn't true.

The hep b vaccine is a necessary public health measure.


As a result of vaccination the rates of infant hep b have declined drastically:

Incidence of Acute Hepatitis B --- United States, 1990--2002

The incidence of acute hepatitis B has declined steadily during the preceding decade, in part because of successful vaccination and other prevention programs. The observed decline in the incidence of acute hepatitis B among children occurred coincident with an increase in hepatitis B vaccination coverage among children aged 19--35 months, from 16% in 1992 to 90% in 2000 (3).

Thanks to vaccination for hep b liver cancer rates in children have declined as well:

GLOBAL UPDATE - Hepatitis B Vaccinations at Birth Are Tied To Less Liver Cancer, Taiwan Study Finds - NYTimes.com

Vaccinating children against hepatitis B at birth can significantly reduce liver cancer in older children, a new study in Taiwan has found.

SIDS is not linked to vaccination. For one thing description of SIDS have been found in all of recorded history including by the Romans and Greeks. As vaccination wasn't commonly used until over a thousand years later there's no way SIDS could be linked to vaccination.

SIDS: Vaccines Do Not Increase Risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

There is no mercury in the hep b vaccine. Yes, the Japanese are stupid about vaccines. As a result no, they don't have lower SIDS rates. Instead they have needless outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases:

Immunization coverage and natural infection rates ... [Vaccine. 2010] - PubMed result

Measles has been epidemic in Japan because of such paranoia and poor education by public health officials:

Why is measles still endemic in Japan? : The Lancet

Fortunately the Japanese government woke up and has been finally attempting to address the problem:

Progress Toward Measles Elimination --- Japan, 1999--2008

Please educate yourself on this topic before posting about it again. Thank you.
 
Old 03-09-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Please stop posting material that isn't true. Just about every thing you wrote in this paragraph isn't true.

The hep b vaccine is a necessary public health measure.


As a result of vaccination the rates of infant hep b have declined drastically:

Incidence of Acute Hepatitis B --- United States, 1990--2002

The incidence of acute hepatitis B has declined steadily during the preceding decade, in part because of successful vaccination and other prevention programs. The observed decline in the incidence of acute hepatitis B among children occurred coincident with an increase in hepatitis B vaccination coverage among children aged 19--35 months, from 16% in 1992 to 90% in 2000 (3).

Thanks to vaccination for hep b liver cancer rates in children have declined as well:

GLOBAL UPDATE - Hepatitis B Vaccinations at Birth Are Tied To Less Liver Cancer, Taiwan Study Finds - NYTimes.com

Vaccinating children against hepatitis B at birth can significantly reduce liver cancer in older children, a new study in Taiwan has found.

SIDS is not linked to vaccination. For one thing description of SIDS have been found in all of recorded history including by the Romans and Greeks. As vaccination wasn't commonly used until over a thousand years later there's no way SIDS could be linked to vaccination.

SIDS: Vaccines Do Not Increase Risk of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

There is no mercury in the hep b vaccine. Yes, the Japanese are stupid about vaccines. As a result no, they don't have lower SIDS rates. Instead they have needless outbreaks of vaccine preventable diseases:

Immunization coverage and natural infection rates ... [Vaccine. 2010] - PubMed result

Measles has been epidemic in Japan because of such paranoia and poor education by public health officials:

Why is measles still endemic in Japan? : The Lancet

Fortunately the Japanese government woke up and has been finally attempting to address the problem:

Progress Toward Measles Elimination --- Japan, 1999--2008

Please educate yourself on this topic before posting about it again. Thank you.

If you continue to post facts, I am going to stick my fingers in my ears and scream na na nanana!
 
Old 03-09-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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..In Canada they screen the mother for hep b, and if she is infected they will vax your baby.....most are not, and there's no need for the shot.
Quit believing all the anti-immunization drivel you read on the internet. Canada does indeed vaccinate against Hep B.

Immunization Schedules - Public Health Agency of Canada
 
Old 03-09-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why do you say infants are more vulnerable to diseases..could it be that they have a very undeveloped immune system?The hep b vaccines given to newborns is an abomination and a clear huge assault on their immature immune systems...the reason some people wait until their children are 2 to vaccinate is because by then the brain cells will have developed their insulation (myelin) to protect them....they did this in Japan and found the incidence of sids and neurological damage(believed caused by vaccines) dropped 100%.There is STILL mercury in hep b shots and in flu shots. Unless your baby gets tattoos, or is having sex, or is a drug user, he/she cannot get hepb unless born to an infected mother..In Canada they screen the mother for hep b, and if she is infected they will vax your baby.....most are not, and there's no need for the shot.
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There is STILL mercury in hep b shots and in flu shots.
false...hasnt been since 2001

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Unless your baby gets tattoos, or is having sex, or is a drug user
wrong

HBV can be transmitted between family members within households, possibly by contact of nonintact skin or mucous membrane with secretions or saliva containing HBV
 
Old 03-09-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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There IS still mercury in hep b shots!!,and definately in flu shots.THE SAGA OF PEDIATRIC HEPATITIS B VACCINATION (http://vran.org/vaccines/hepatitis/pediatric-hepb.htm - broken link)
 
Old 03-09-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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There IS still mercury in hep b shots!!,and definately in flu shots.THE SAGA OF PEDIATRIC HEPATITIS B VACCINATION (http://vran.org/vaccines/hepatitis/pediatric-hepb.htm - broken link)
The hysterical anti-vax link you posted was from 2001, which was when "mercury" was removed.

These links of yours are getting boring though. Where is that one link you like to post to the holistic health center for dogs and children? That's one of my faves.
 
Old 03-09-2011, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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There IS still mercury in hep b shots!!,and definately in flu shots.THE SAGA OF PEDIATRIC HEPATITIS B VACCINATION (http://vran.org/vaccines/hepatitis/pediatric-hepb.htm - broken link)

Mmmm no, your link is 10 years old!

5 myths about the flu - USATODAY.com

"Although there's no evidence that the ethyl mercury-based preservative thimerosal causes harm, vaccine makers responded to public concerns in 2001 and stopped using it in most vaccines.
Neither flu shots in individual-dose containers or the FluMist nasal spray contain thimerosal. Flu vaccine kept in multi-dose vials do use thimerosal as a preservative, to prevent the growth of fungus or other potentially dangerous germs, Bergen says. Patients can ask for the thimerosal-free versions."

Hep B has zero mercury.
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