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Old 03-09-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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I try to be as appreciative as I can for what I have in life. Even with a low income (under $25k), I can pay the bills and support my family and have fun and am happy. The longer I live though, the more I notice people, most of whom make more than I, seem to be bothered by the better-off people of our society, saying things like "why are they making so much" or "they really have it made", etc. I have thought these things before but as a way of thinking how I could get there, not as an envious thought. Are people getting less appreciative or am I just finding myself more and more surronded my whinny, jealous people?

Charles Sands
Smyrna, TN
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Over the last 20 or so years in this country we seem to have adopted the belief that everyone should get a trophy - everyone deserves a trophy. We have moved away from the notion of equality of opportunity and embraced the notion of equality of outcome. These new beliefs manifest themselves as you describe.

If my neighbor has a high paying job, then I want a high paying job. I deserve a high paying job. It's not fair if we're not equal, right?

If his kid plays first string, then my kid should play first string. My kid deserves to play first string. It's not fair if it's not equal!

If his family can afford first-rate health insurance, then my family should have first-rate health insurance. We deserve deserve first-rate health insurance. If it's not equal it's not fair!

I don't know how to fix it, but I think this is part of the problem. My 2 cents.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:40 PM
 
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Over the last 20 or so years in this country we seem to have adopted the belief that everyone should get a trophy - everyone deserves a trophy. We have moved away from the notion of equality of opportunity and embraced the notion of equality of outcome. These new beliefs manifest themselves as you describe.

If my neighbor has a high paying job, then I want a high paying job. I deserve a high paying job. It's not fair if we're not equal, right?

If his kid plays first string, then my kid should play first string. My kid deserves to play first string. It's not fair if it's not equal!

If his family can afford first-rate health insurance, then my family should have first-rate health insurance. We deserve deserve first-rate health insurance. If it's not equal it's not fair!

I don't know how to fix it, but I think this is part of the problem. My 2 cents.
Healthcare and baseball are two different things. We all DESRVE first rate healthcare.

If you aren't good at baseball, then you don't DESERVE to play first string. However, just because you're poor doesn't mean you should get substandard healthcare.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Healthcare and baseball are two different things. We all DESRVE first rate healthcare.
Equality of opportunity NOT equality of outcome. Did you miss that part?
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:46 PM
 
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Maybe because many of us work for them?

I work part-time for Company X. The head of Company X has given me a lousy 3% raise in five years. Meanwhile CEO Slimeball has lost contracts left and right and been sued for incompetence. He's also increased his own pay by a fifth to over a million a year.

Most Americans have seen their wages remain flat and even fall relative to inflation while prices for items like food, shelter and college tuition have increased hugely. In the meantime pay rates for the very top percentiles have soared.

Many of us are sick of it. I personally resent paying 33% on my income while the hedge fund manager pays a mere 15% on an income orders of magnitude greater.

Why is that so hard to understand? Treat people poorly and they will hate you.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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I try to be as appreciative as I can for what I have in life. Even with a low income (under $25k), I can pay the bills and support my family and have fun and am happy. The longer I live though, the more I notice people, most of whom make more than I, seem to be bothered by the better-off people of our society, saying things like "why are they making so much" or "they really have it made", etc. I have thought these things before but as a way of thinking how I could get there, not as an envious thought. Are people getting less appreciative or am I just finding myself more and more surronded my whinny, jealous people?

Charles Sands
Smyrna, TN
I think they watch too much TV. Thinking they have
to have/be, everything they see on those million dollar
sets. But, now reality is sinking in - the Jones' next door,
- they have a foreclosure sign in their front yard.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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the reason some want the rich to pay for everything is jealousy pure and simple. a person works their way up the ladder, takes the big risks, and makes the big money, and those that dont take the nig risks feel shorted. this country was founded on equal opportunity for all, NOT equal outcomes for all, but it seems the jealous people among us want to make everyone equally poor.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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I don't see this effect.

If anything, over the past 30 years, voters have chosen to elect politicians who have reduced the tax burden on the wealthiest Americans, and wealth has accumulated more quickly at the very top than anywhere else.

Those are hardly signs of a society where wealthy people are disliked.
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Old 03-09-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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Equality of opportunity NOT equality of outcome. Did you miss that part?
You stated:

"If his family can afford first-rate health insurance, then my family should have first-rate health insurance. We deserve deserve first-rate health insurance. If it's not equal it's not fair!"

The implication being that people who can't afford good healthcare should not be able to obtain it.

Some things should not be contingent on achievement/outcome. Healthcare, education, and public safety are amongst those things.
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Maine
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I work part-time for Company X. The head of Company X has given me a lousy 3% raise in five years. Meanwhile CEO Slimeball has lost contracts left and right and been sued for incompetence. He's also increased his own pay by a fifth to over a million a year.
Sounds like CEO Slimeball might be on his way out. Apply for his job! Then you can have the million dollar salry. Are you qualified?

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Most Americans have seen their wages remain flat and even fall relative to inflation while prices for items like food, shelter and college tuition have increased hugely. In the meantime pay rates for the very top percentiles have soared.
Get into one of those top percentailes! Have you done the things necessary to put yourself in that position?

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I personally resent paying 33% on my income while the hedge fund manager pays a mere 15% on an income orders of magnitude greater.
If you're in the 33% federal tax bracket then you make at least $174,000 per year. Sounds to me like you're "well off."
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