I'm a Democrat and Here's What's Wrong with My Side... (McCain, Ron Paul)
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However, I think many on the right use the level of abuse and waste (which they tend to exaggerate) as an excuse to eliminate the programs all together. To me the social safety net is too important, so Democrats protect it, despite its faults, because they see it's existence threatened all together by the right.
They exacerbated the level of abuse and waste trying to prove a point. They put sugar in the gas tank to cripple the system. It was intentional infliction. Do not allow yourself the indulgence of forgiveness when the crime continues. The republican party has been hijacked by malevolence. If they had a sound plan forward they would have respectfully presented it by now. They only have self destruction plans in hand since fiat currency was implemented. Former Republicans (constituency and elect) registered in indie & dem camps over the last 40 yrs for a reason.
Business standards and quality have steadily eroded since Reagan. It will become harder and harder for anyone to make a living and retain ethics. Every allegiance every citizen has made keeping this nation strong has been systematically assaulted by billionaire sponsored think tanks.
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Originally Posted by RCCCB
Look a couple of posts up to see a conservative post that no one wants to reply to.
Your post addressed it to the left. Most are not left (despite the oft tossed accusation) so why would it surprise you no one responded to your singular leading question?
Once all the invective & presumption is removed, there really isn't anything remaining to consider, particularly in a thread that's supposed to be about what? Dem shortcomings. Those very same shortcomings are intimately entwined with repub shortcomings. Are you willing to recognize the real enemy to liberty yet or are you still convinced it's everyone else ruining your life & self image?
The only political campaign I've ever worked for was Ross Perot. Do you persist being confused/ deluded into why he was there in the first place? How very wayward conservatives had allowed themselves to become. When a man stops acting in the best interest of his family he's abandoned the role of fatherhood in deference to self service/ vainglory. Don't blame your wife when she rejects you on those grounds. She did it out of love of what was true and good, and out of hate for what was false and malevolent. Never lie to your wife if you expect to have a healthy family.
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Originally Posted by thecoalman
Bush has been out of office for more than two years, you need to get over it.
This isn't just about Bush. It's about the tumor ruling GOP inside and out threatening to spread on both sides of the aisle. Why have forces in RW media declared war on American citizens wholesale and you lend them free pass? How many wars are they going to declare before there's nothing left standing to bother defending? That appears to be the objective. Use Texas to attack California. Are you seeing this clearly yet or do things have to hit rock bottom entirely for you to be convinced? America is not at war with Afghanistan. Haliburton is at war with Afghanistan and using our very government, our very military, as a cat's paw.
Koch industries sponsors gaggles of think tanks surrounding DC influencing policy. Influencing every leader and every bit of legislation authored. They installed Bush as a puppet. Here's an expanded picture Koch brothers philosophy shooting holes at our boat... Creative destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Are you prepared to announce to every citizen in this nation that they will be forced into subsistence farming? That's where all of this is headed unless you submit every liberty you have to a corporations best interest. The constitution is a piece of toilet paper to those with no allegiance to America.
Do you understand how the American form of government works? Have you considered that Congress controls purse strings? Congress writes legislation? Congress was dominated by Democrats since 2007?
Man, talk about someone who lost their way.
Who controls each member of congress? Not constituency. Not the individual members of congress elected. Not when the information they're leaning on (provided by lobbyists) is dishonest.
Every financial calamity which this country has endured since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 can be laid at the feet of our politicians, and while most of the most egregious things were done by Democrats, there have been plenty of boneheaded Republicans (Hoover & Nixon immediately come to mind) to ***** things up as well.
I also have to agree with point #1 of LauraC's list---Democrats have always felt that they can spend our tax dollars better than we can, notwithstanding their wholseale destruction of our public school system by prioritizing the acquisition of tenure for teachers as opposed to challenging their competency annually via exams that are not watered down.
If they were really serious about education reform, they'd drop all of their objections to charter schools and private schools, and stop forcing children and their parents to stay in bad schools to make their union bosses happy.
Their devotion to pleasing environmentalists at the expense of the rest of us is unconscionable, and the explosion in gasoline prices over the past sixty days is 100% their fault, and the current Treasury Secretary has certainly contributed via his money-printing machine, which will eventually demolish our economy.
Why they'd rather enslave themselves to the Al Gores of the world as opposed to putting at least 500,000 Americans to work in oil exploration projects across all of North American, which would generate billions of dollars in tax revenues for states and the US Treasury as well is equally insane.
They don't believe in energy independence either, and that's beyond debate.
Obama's 'green jobs' nonsense certainly won't help our economy thanks to those blockheaded increases in corn-to-ethanol mandates, as well as Obamamobiles such as the Chevy Volt which can charitably be described as DOA.
My primary career was in oil industry. The last insane spike we had on the price of a barrel of oil had nothing to do with actual availability of oil. It had everything to do with commodities market manipulations via Wall street. All conditions that facilitated those manipulations remain in place unchallenged. It's beyond US jurisdiction. This financial nightmare plaguing all of western civilization is the byproduct of reckless application of globalization.
So long as you continue chasing after pennies blaming the guy standing next to you, you will continue to lose your liberty for the liberty of all you failed to defend. Take heed of these words, or recall them at some point in the future when your roof is falling in on your head.
Even though you're not a Democrat, thanks for contributing to the thread.
Allow me to respond:
1. I find this to be a bit misleading. Republicans like to spend too... (There are plenty of Republican congresses/Presidents that increased the deficit and debt. See: Reagan). Republicans like to spend on the military. Democrats prefer social programs that benefit people.
2. That's pretty bogus. There is plenty of self-congratulations and mutual admiration societies on both sides. The Democrats certain put more value in college education, it seems, if you use the anti-university and anti-intellectualism comments I see on here from the right.
3. Seems like a personal impression. Sorry you feel that way.
4. Yes, I agree with this. I prefer planning and careful execution to an immediate action bias. I'm sure you'd agree there are ga-zillions of do-ers on both sides. I own a business, travel 150,000 miles a year on business, employe people, etc, yet am a Progressive Democrat. There are loads of us. (See: New York City)
Reagan never had a Republican congress or line item veto. In the end, he took the best deal he could get.
"Half of something is better than all of nothing"
- Reagan
Just look at the way Democrats are squealing about cutting $61 billion from nearly $4 trillion being spent this year. And this after refusing to pass their own budget on time, which is the only reason it's still an issue.
Republicans tend to spend money on things required by the Constitution, like the military. Democrats launder stolen tax dollars through unions in the form of pension bailouts and profitable industries through research grants and subsidies (see Bank Bailout, ARRA and Cash for Clunkers). The lesson of FRD isn't lost on today's Democrats. They understand FDR had to die to lose presidency. Making as many people dependent on the hand of government as possible has been a Democratic modus operandi ever since. They know this is their key to holding onto power.
ALMOST ANY ONE OF THE "great" DEMOCRATIC ideas could be done NOW
in a free market
Get a whole bunch of like minded people together, start that program on a smaller group scale (smaller than forcing the whole country to participate with threats of fines and imprisonment)... A VOLUNTARY group..
Oh wait. It wouldn't work, b.c the ideas are based on spending OTHER people's money and under the false premise that people will do what you believe is "morally or socially right"... and rich and poor people with actual Christian morals, understand that throwing money at the lazy and foolish will not only end up hurting the lazy and foolish , but bring themselves down with em.
Humans aren't sheep, no matter how much the left thinks humans are.. I guess their voters are mainly sheeple. Half follower, half consumer.
There isn't very much critical thinking going on in trhe original post. Why don't you just say the Dems have to go further left and improve messaging? Gosh I wish the leadership would take your advise, the Republicans would have a permanent majority. You don't seem to understand there are more self identified conservative than liberals.
I agree with you about the OP. The post is about good intentions, trying to admit the faults of one party. It doesn't go much further than that.
Here is one of the single most important shortcomings in the democratic party (IMO, of course): they think the answer to every single problem is more and bigger government. The bigger the government, the better.
this is a vacuous Fox platitude - one of many weighing down this forum!
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Originally Posted by harborlady
My primary career was in oil industry. The last insane spike we had on the price of a barrel of oil had nothing to do with actual availability of oil. It had everything to do with commodities market manipulations via Wall street. All conditions that facilitated those manipulations remain in place unchallenged. It's beyond US jurisdiction. This financial nightmare plaguing all of western civilization is the byproduct of reckless application of globalization.
"Actual availability", "manipulations", "beyond US jurisdiction" - key phrases.
Rising prices in times of low demand and/or civil unrest in far-off countries. Multinational ownership (no allegiance to the USA). The US as just another cow to be milked.
Yet people keep saying "we" must drill in Alaska. A joke!
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Originally Posted by momonkey
Reagan never had a Republican congress or line item veto. In the end, he took the best deal he could get.
"Half of something is better than all of nothing"
- Reagan
**This reminds me of the conservative belief that Democrats can be blamed for everything bad, because it's either a Democratic Congress or presidency at some point in an era. Even when the Dems are totally out of power and ignored, there is a "liberal" power structure behind the curtain pulling strings on right-thinking conservatives.
**Reagan said many things including "By outlawing Solidarity, a free trade organization to which an overwhelming majority of Polish workers and farmers belong, they have made it clear that they never had any intention of restoring one of the most elemental human rights—the right to belong to a free trade union".
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Just look at the way Democrats are squealing about cutting $61 billion from nearly $4 trillion being spent this year. And this after refusing to pass their own budget on time, which is the only reason it's still an issue.
Why this sudden concern by "conservatives" over the debt? Who was in charge over the last 30 years? Who kept two wars "off the books"? Who ran up the debt to where it is?
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Making as many people dependent on the hand of government as possible has been a Democratic modus operandi ever since. They know this is their key to holding onto power.
Here's what I think is wrong with the Democrats, as a Democrat...
3) Bad PR. Our ideas really are better in many areas, but we lose in the "arena" due to obsfucations and half-truths that are generated to derail Progressive programs.
LOLs. For 3 years all we heard was how great a communicator President Obama was. He was this great public speaker with these fresh ideas that everyone loved.
Right after the elections last November we were told that Obama was unable to get his ideas across. That he needed to explain things better. LOLs.
You ever think your idea have all been tried before and failed? That your ideas don't hold up to scrutiny? That your ideas don't work? Guess you never thought that.
He explained things just fine. People understand the Democrats ideas. That's the reason the Democrats loss was of historic proportions.
Funny, when democrats win an election we told it is because people want "progress" and "hope" and "change". When Republicans win we are told the elctorate is "angry". LOLs.
And which group is actually doing the changing? The Repubilcans in the State Houses. Meanwhile the Democrats in D.C. are giving the same crap and blaming communication skilss. LOLs. Pathetic. Truly pathetic.
This isn't just about Bush. It's about the tumor ruling GOP inside and out threatening to spread on both sides of the aisle. Why have forces in RW media declared war on American citizens wholesale and you lend them free pass? How many wars are they going to declare before there's nothing left standing to bother defending? That appears to be the objective. Use Texas to attack California. Are you seeing this clearly yet or do things have to hit rock bottom entirely for you to be convinced?
And Democrats use Arizona to attack people with. Now it's Wisconsin and Ohio they are using.
Are you seeing this clearly yet or do things have to hit rock bottom entirely for you to be convinced?
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"Actual availability", "manipulations", "beyond US jurisdiction" - key phrases.
