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Yeah, yeah I am sure the passions will be exactly the same in 2 years. Also what platform are the Dems going to run on? We will restore collective bargaining for 10% of the population and all it will cost you is $1.4 billion!
Your indomitable confidence that, despite the lack of information, this will not only avoid/survive a legal challenge, but that it will be resolved in less then 2 years is....
Your indomitable confidence that, despite the lack of information, this will not only avoid/survive a legal challenge, but that it will be resolved in less then 2 years is....
I have invited you, on several occasions, to provide me with evidence that a challenge would have a serious chance. In my research, the Sunshine law issue is the best chance and that is very low and easily remedied. You can grasp to a slim reed if you like but there is zero chance a challenge will work.
I have invited you, on several occasions, to provide me with evidence that a challenge would have a serious chance. In my research, the Sunshine law issue is the best chance and that is very low and easily remedied. You can grasp to a slim reed if you like but there is zero chance a challenge will work.
Sun shine laws are the best chance? Oh, really? Are you a legal scholar? And if so did your 'research' involve looking at the bill, considering each section, and looking at previous cases related to that section of the state constitution to see if there were any decisions related to this matter, or if any important terms had been specifically defined by a court or the legislature?
For the nth time. I do not have enough information to know either way, and I am pretty sure you don't either, therefore it is silly to suggest one outcome or another. E.g. saying this will be in effect in 2 years.
I still can't understand how leftists can be FOR employees FORCED to join a union and FORCED to pay dues.
I know, the unions say this will fired their members up for 2012, will fire the democrats and left up for 2012......outside of WI, did you see any massive protests? NO.
I think many, many current union members will be relieved they are no longer enslaved by the union machine.
Apperantly the WI senate republicans and Walker believe they can rule like a mob.
Not exactly. You see, in our form of government, we elect folks to represent us. They in turn write bills and present them for votes. Which ever side has the most votes prevails. This is the environment in which the Republicans have ruled. The Dems on the other hand do not like this arrangement since they lost the vote. So instead of using democratic processes to get their way they form a mob and try to bully the other side.
Sun shine laws are the best chance? Oh, really? Are you a legal scholar? And if so did your 'research' involve looking at the bill, considering each section, and looking at previous cases related to that section of the state constitution to see if there were any decisions related to this matter, or if any important terms had been specifically defined by a court or the legislature?
For the nth time. I do not have enough information to know either way, and I am pretty sure you don't either, therefore it is silly to suggest one outcome or another. E.g. saying this will be in effect in 2 years.
LOL, oh to be young again. I assure you this law is here to stay. Much like the belicose rantings on the right how Obamacare would not move forward (and they have a much better case considering they had 2 courts agree with them), here we are a year later with the law moving forward.
LOL, oh to be young again. I assure you this law is here to stay. Much like the belicose rantings on the right how Obamacare would not move forward (and they have a much better case considering they had 2 courts agree with them), here we are a year later with the law moving forward.
Yeah that's me, young and naive for suggesting it is not really possible to know the outcome of potential looming legal challenges.
As to 'Obamacare' I am not sure on that one either.
It is silly to speculate on future legal challenges unless you know a judge has previously wed themselves to a particular doctrine and even there you are only mostly right.
Yeah that's me, young and naive for suggesting it is not really possible to know the outcome of potential looming legal challenges.
As to 'Obamacare' I am not sure on that one either.
It is silly to speculate on future legal challenges unless you know a judge has previously wed themselves to a particular doctrine and even there you are only mostly right.
You are missing the point. The right was sure their court challenges would stop Obamacare. It hasn't, not to say it won't but good chunks will be implimented by the time anything happens making it difficult to reverse. There is no way this thing will be reversed legally. But even indulging in your fantasy it would be the law of the land for at least years. Now the Dems will have to tell the people this will cost you $1.4 billion to overturn.
You are missing the point. The right was sure their court challenges would stop Obamacare. It hasn't, not to say it won't but good chunks will be implimented by the time anything happens making it difficult to reverse. There is no way this thing will be reversed legally. But even indulging in your fantasy it would be the law of the land for at least years. Now the Dems will have to tell the people this will cost you $1.4 billion to overturn.
Plus there is no "looming" challenge here.
See I don't get how you can say that with certainty. If a court challenge happens and there is a preliminary injunction then it will not be the law of the land...it will be enjoined, similar to what happened with the AZ immigration law. That is just one possibility, but I would not rule it out before any of the action starts if Democrats choose to sue.
With 'Obamacare' the judge stayed his own ruling to expedite the appeals process which is why certain parts of the law are still in effect.
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