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View Poll Results: Who Was Better?
FDR 67 54.47%
Ronald Reagan 56 45.53%
Voters: 123. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-14-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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I love listening to the clueless who deem themselves to be so knowledgeable. It's a perfect demonstration of why we are in such a fouled mess ... even with an abundance of historical documentation, the geniuses cannot even manage to be decent "Monday morning quarterbacks". It's quite pathetic really.

First off ... ANYONE who thinks government can pull a nation out of a Depression by printing and spending more money shouldn't open their mouths while adults are conversing. This is akin to the naive wife who tries to comfort her financially stressed husband by saying "don't worry dear, we still have plenty of checks left in the checkbook". Such debt spending only serves to delay the inevitable, making the problems worse, and guaranteeing greater suffering in the end, just as FDR's policies not only extended the Depression ... but made them worse.

And, WW II DID NOT END THE DEPRESSION anymore than FDR's theft of gold from the American public in 1933 make the public more wealthy. The war certainly did end unemployment, as every able bodied American was conscripted into service, with everyone else filling in the gaps left ... but the economy was running on credit, with massive borrowing to fund the war .... coupled with nationwide shortages of common goods that people had to do without ... for the sake of the soldiers and the war.

The end of the depression didn't come until after the war, when all of the manufacturing infrastructure used to produce military output was converted to peacetime production. With most of Europe in SHAMBLES at the end of the war requiring massive reconstruction efforts ... there was great financial gains to the American economy in Europe's reconstruction, along with the peacetime boom of consumerism after years of austerity.

What is now referred to as the "Post War Economic Boom" helped to pay of the debts incurred by the war, and provide that economic growth that returned the nation to prosperity .... private industry production, not government debt spending, which is what war actually is. This created trade surpluses and returned the USA to being the largest creditor nation, rather than the largest debtor nation, as it is today. A BIG DIFFERENCE.

Today's "Depression" cannot be similarly ended primarily because there is no heavy industry to convert over from a wartime to peacetime output, along with the fact that the massive increases in the creation of money, backed by nothing, is only adding fuel to the fire.

None of the key elements responsible for extricating the country from the Great Depression back then exists today .... only a greater quantity of the causes and same contributing factors, which is the only thing government intervention is EVER good at ... making a bad situation worse.

Furthermore, the pain of the great depression was mitigated by the fact that the greater majority of the population back then were rural folks capable of sustaining themselves, while today, the opposite is true ... most are urban, and unable to tie their own shoes without a government assistance program that provides them the shoes, laces, and operating instructions.

This is the raw truth. As our manufacturing has been slowly and deliberately moved offshore ... we do not have the means to "produce" our way out of debt, which only guarantees that those debts will continue to increase. Printing more money in massive quantities as is being done still, is absolutely guaranteeing that the inevitable crash will be fatal and unrecoverable.

That so many cannot even grasp these fundamental facts explains why they cannot even begin to understand how and why this is being done ... PURPOSELY.

This is testimony to the fact that the current state of intelligence of the American public is the lowest in the history of this nation ... which only guarantees that the criminals are going to continue raping and robbing us until we are all starving in the streets.

And even then ... many will explain the disaster as the fault of "Global Warming" or Osama Bin Laden.
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Anyone who thinks Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a terrible president or an evil person has no grasp of history whatsoever.
I'm sorry, but since I actually lived during those years (very young, but my parents were very aware of the mess this man was) and since history is one of my very favorite subjects, I can tell you that it is yourself who apparently has no grasp of history.

FDR was a very bad president, in the same category as Carter and Obama. All 3 of these really screwed up this country because FDR was self-centered and clueless and the other 2 are the same plus so far in over their heads it is pathetic.
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I would remind you that President Reagan's policies actually brought in much more in revenue that ever before.
Which ones? Tax cuts, or tax increases and closing of loop holes? While at it, you can perhaps show this increase in revenue compared to the past?
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Anybody posting in this thread actually live through the Great Depression and World War II? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Go talk to someone who actually did and get their opinion.
Yes! My family and myself!
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Note how the rate fell through the floor as a result of the federal government launching a huge spending program on the military.
The military is one of the very "few" areas that the Federal Government should be supporting...as per our Constitution.
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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It is really simple. FDR borrowed a whole bunch of money and put everyone to work. That is how he ended the Great depression. How you can end the current depression (We are having equally high unemployment now, in Nov of 2010 they were paying out for over 17% unemployment.) Is to print a bunch of money and have the government put everyone to work. It is that simple.

Good grief. That's the wrong-headed thinking of what is going on with Obama and Dems. That is exactly what screws up private enterprise and upsets the balance of a true economy with a solid base.

No, FDR did not end the depression. It took the getting rid of his policies after he died to get us back on tract. Unfortunately, we didn't get rid of enough of his policies.

For instance, did you know that the income tax imposed by FDR was supposed to be and promised to be only "temporary?" Ha! So much for that. Do you realize that the income tax hurts private enterprise. Do you realize that the income tax has created a lot of the bad policies of business to avoid this depressive tax? Do you realize that had we gotten rid of that tax on income back when the war ended (or never imposed it in the first place) and instead done something like a national sales tax, all the drug $'s spent would be taxed? Black markets are far easier to seek out and control that the mess we have today.
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Old 03-14-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Which ones? Tax cuts, or tax increases and closing of loop holes? While at it, you can perhaps show this increase in revenue compared to the past?
I'm still trying to figure out why people think Reagan was a conservative. Remember the SS hike wasn't considered a tax increase I think it was called an insurance policy. I think if you refer to it as that instead of a tax it isn't supposed to hurt as much.
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Old 03-14-2011, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Reagan was once asked which President he admired and respected most. His answer: FDR.

Even Reagan wouldn't have voted for Reagan in this poll.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:27 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Ronald Reagan was one of the worst presidents of the 20th century, so this is an easy vote.

coming from a socialist and europeon such as yourself I can understand why you said that. especially since Reagan took away your the socialist lifestyle when he brought an end to the ussr and their socialist policies.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:35 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Anybody posting in this thread actually live through the Great Depression and World War II? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Go talk to someone who actually did and get their opinion.

both my mother and father thought that fdr was a schlup who screwed up the USA with his theft policies and his idea of how the goverment can save everyone. fdr did nothing but take take take from the people and did nothing but steal more and more freedom from the people.
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